im tried of people saying SE doesn't like ninja tanks

[Dtec]

let me ask you this, if SE doesn't like ninja tanks, why the hell is there the arhat's set? it gives enmity+ and eva+, which is perfect for ninja tanks. so don't give me any bull about SE hating ninja's who "exploit" ustusemi.

my opinion on the update is that they are balancing the jobs. SE realizes that 99% of the time a ninja can outtank a paladin. also, they realize that ninja's can solo some tough NMs that usually require a whole party or alliance. so, they are making all AoE attacks erase utsusemi to make the white mage actually do work in the party

ninjas are still going to be tanks after the update, and if SE adds other abilities, they may be able to fill a DD spot. they are a versatile job like warriors.

so to summarize, ninja nerf? what nerf?

[Naota1369]

lol, because of this............

The effect of the ninjutsu Utsusemi will be completely removed by area attacks.

i think that pretty much shows SE's feeling toward ninja "blink tanks"

/goodbye utsusemi tanks

and how many nin you see in full arhat set anyways end game.
now me i see them with the following :
Optical / panzer mask +1
Scorp Harness +1
Ras. Feet thingies
Evasion torque
Dodge Earring's
the kote or ras. tekko +1
you get the picture.......... well at least the GOOD high level nins

[Naota1369]

utsusemi to make the white mage actually do work in the party

bah more then that...... that makes it just unsafe to have nins tanking now.....

so to summarize, ninja nerf? what nerf?

lol, denial is the first stage, hahaha {I'm sorry}

[Dtec]

ok ok i respect your opinions, just remember what you said when you are trying to form a party and there are no PLDs looking for group, and you refuse to invite the ninja, and the ninja finds another party and gets 4k xp per hour

[GSDragoon]

Originally posted by Dtec
ok ok i respect your opinions, just remember what you said when you are trying to form a party and there are no PLDs looking for group, and you refuse to invite the ninja, and the ninja finds another party and gets 4k xp per hour

My static has no problem getting 5k/hr. PLD tank a me, the gimped DRG...

I doubt it will be the end of NI tanking, but it will hurt it. I'm guessing the SAN line will allow them to still tank.

[Crowzukin]

Re: im tried of people saying SE doesn't like ninja tanks

Originally posted by Dtec
let me ask you this, if SE doesn't like ninja tanks, why the hell is there the arhat's set? it gives enmity+ and eva+, which is perfect for ninja tanks. so don't give me any bull about SE hating ninja's who "exploit" ustusemi.

So then why doesn't the Ninja artifact or relic armor have any +enmity on it? Even the Thief relic armor has +enmity on it while the Ninja's does not. Why do you think this is? OH! OH! PWNED

[Naota1369]

ok im not saying im happy about this, my last pt in CN on Hornflies was nin + thf + me(mnk) + whm + blm + rdm. whm got bored =)

it was sick. nin was good, thf kept hate on him, i loved it. i dont want this to be the end of nin tanks, we need more tanks as it is. just from the way i see it, it is. which is lame.....but i dont see how this doesn cripple the job tanking abilities.

[Korutonu]

Maybe SE was thinking of doing this for a long time, because remember, the Arhat's gear also reduces physical dmg which can come in handy when all the blinks are removed from an AOE.

Also if they did add the SAN line then blink tanking would be just as good as it always was, NIN would just have to be a bit more aware of their shadows going down so easily. Plus spending more gil on Shihei but meh.

[Odepa]

I think is about making the game a lil more real, from my point of view the mob is actually watching 4 times the same guy (Nin+3 copy images), if the mobs cast an AoE spell, it hits everything in range, hence the Nin and his/her 3 copy images, besides the ppl around, but I also could be wrong cuz if making copy image more real was the point, the mob could actually hit the real Nin and not a copy image. Or maybe the guy that had the idea of changing blink tanking is the same evil guy that designed Yhoator Jungle map.

[Irinicus]

Personally I would rather have a PLD maintank than a NIN. I do believe they can hold hate better than a NIN. My point was proven yesterday when I was in a party with a NIN tank. There were other melees and some of them vokers but it was I that got voked almost every battle. And no before you all start thinking I chain casted, I did not. Come on, the mob comes after me after I hit it with Bio and Burn???? In my static, which has a PLD main, I never get aggroed under noraml circumstances and in that party I sometimes actually chain cast. So once again this is just my opinion but I do believe PLD are better than NIN at tanking.

[Naota1369]

ok well this wasnt a thread on pld vs. nin so we dont need to start that AGAIN. the point is wether SE wanted nins to tank and if patch will cripple their tanking abilities. so before this turns into another pld vs. nin thread lets just drop it now.....

[Dtec]

Re: Re: im tried of people saying SE doesn't like ninja tanks

Originally posted by Crowzukin
So then why doesn't the Ninja artifact or relic armor have any +enmity on it? Even the Thief relic armor has +enmity on it while the Ninja's does not. Why do you think this is? OH! OH! PWNED

maybe because ninjas don't HAVE to be tanks? but they gave us the option to be tanks due to the arhat's gear? i'm not saying ninja's HAVE to be tanks, i'm just saying SE accepted the fact that we are using ninjas as tanks. that's why they didn't put enmity+ on our AFs.

[Macht]

I think this change was to make NINs capabilities to Tank more down to earth. I've been in parties were I watched a WHM do nothing because the NIN maintained his Utsusemi Ichi and Ni so well. That is definatly to much power for a NIN to accomplish that.

So making it were the NIN has a higher chance of actually taking a hit that no amount of skill can completly avoid that helps to give WHM more purpose and not just some filler.

[Regulat0r]

People would enjoy being blink tanks more if they didnt have to constantly look at the text box to see if there shadows dropped or not ><.

[Gryff]

Originally posted by Regulat0r
People would enjoy being blink tanks more if they didnt have to constantly look at the text box to see if there shadows dropped or not ><.

yah would be nice of instead of seeing copy image we have an icon for each image and they were different colours, would make ninja much easier.