nin raid questions

[dagon2002]

I am curious to hear how ninjas do on HNM and other kinds of high end stuff. Also whats the best hnm ninja build? meaning if ur the MT or just an OT/ST (off tank and seconday tank).

Thanks in advance for the info. im dying to play ninja and have built a nice war chest for it. just curious how ninja fits into the high end and if where even needed or desired.

[sourjirou]

there are some HNMs that are perfect for nins to tank like genbu (a giant turtle can't get any easier than that) and then there are some NMs a nin has no business tanking like sieryu ( hudred fist and dispelaga :sweat: ). it all depends on the HNM.

[dagon2002]

let me ask a different way. I am a 66 DRK that is in a clan that has only one ninja and 5 other DRKs. Do u think that i would be more of value in the end game as a nin?

[sourjirou]

yup probably. melees aren't very useful against big HNMs except for rngs.

[dagon2002]

thats cool and thanks for advice. im dyin to play ninja but its cool to know ill be of help in end game.

[Stanislav]

Originally posted by sourjirou
there are some HNMs that are perfect for nins to tank like genbu (a giant turtle can't get any easier than that) and then there are some NMs a nin has no business tanking like sieryu ( hudred fist and dispelaga :sweat: ). it all depends on the HNM.

Have you even fought Seiryu?

Seiryu is very easy... I tanked it without dying till the 2hr, I didnt get out of range in time when RNG did shadowbind, but after I got raised I tanked him againw ithout being hit. NIN is by far is the best tank for Seiryu

The only 2 HNM that definitly PLD is better are Carabdys and Fafnir.

Byakko can be NIN tanked but you need very good mages and your NINs must be very very alert.

[Les]

as far as i know, ninjas can tank all gods except for kirin where sanely you kite....

and then there's...king behemoth...which are kited as well. and the notorious fafnir/nidhogg that eats ninjas for dinner.


still haven't tried fafnir, doubt my LS will let me solo blink it ; ;

but if i happen to get the chance and succeed will let you know.

builds for ninja...
run around lower jeuno at high japanese traffic times and look for the weird looking ppl in scropion harness + optical hat + some mix of god equipment, (greenish looking) also note their eq also depends on their race. as much as ninjas can be damage dealers during exp fights, a ninja is just a doll to keep the HNM looking at while the rest of you clan wear it down.

[Ljarin]

Originally posted by Les
as far as i know, ninjas can tank all gods except for kirin where sanely you kite....

Exactly.

[Mitsu]

meh i have personally TRIED tanking genbu and while the shadow maintenance was REAL easy hate was a different matter. I have ALL types of gear I tried from Acc+str/atk to hate nothing I did genbu liked. I have heard of NINs tanking genbu etc but from personal experience Id rather pass that torch to pld. And fyi Scorp harness is just there for the added acc bc i dun care how much evade you have they will NOT miss ANY hit. My decked out PLD in LS love the fact I couldnt hold hate during genbu. Acc was not a problem, damage was. A simple experiment into how nins establish hate take a naked NIN and naked PLD of same race and lvl and have them battle for hate on any mob using only provoke, now equip those 2 in BLINGED out equip and have them fight somthin like a weapon in ruavitau using nothing but melee and provoke 9 out of 10 fihts the nin will win in hate with the weapon but with just provoke the nin will lose horribly. Thats what you are doing against genbu "provoking", your melee will do at MOST 40 damage on a crit and ninjutsu...well lets just say that tossing ninjutsu wont cut it when you have blm,whm,rdm and brds doing what they must to kill that turtle.

[sourjirou]

maybe you should try some + Enmity gear. i see alot of high lvl nins with Eris' Earring+1, and mermaid rings, that probably would help.

[Mitsu]

Meh I have 2 hate+2 earrings Hate+1 ring and the arhats peices of armor that gives hate. It all adds up to shaky hate at best. While I could tank it rather well the fights would go slower bc the mages would have to hold back a bit. In this part of the game its not important to say "you can" tank it, whats more important is to say that "I can tank it best". And as LS leader I have to see that and give the show to the plds, after all when you fight genbu or any other god 7 times in a row , what you dont want are long or "close call" fights. One thing I can say, IF all the plds die then its good to have a few nin there. Genbu for example is extremly easy fo a ninja to hold with some stun support. You can easily hold it while a pld or 2 becomes unweakened. One thing I have noticed is that rng do fairly decent damage compared to other melee. What I may try is shuriken spam if my ninjutsu path doesnt work....fun fun fun

[Les]

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maybe should ask your rangers blms to chill out, or they rather have genbu ready to double critical them.