Which sub job is no1 for Ninja???

[Cbot]

Thief or Warrior??

[Toju]

Blinks tanks have to voke.

[Cbot]

what about thief??

[Sadeira]

i speak for everyone when i say

"hahahahaha no"

because the blink tank task of ninjas is so highly ingrained among the players that they ninjas pretty much serve no other purpose but to tank. ninjas are only invited to a party to tank. and if you're a nin that doesn't want to tank, then you'll find yourself out of the party pretty quickly. you can try nin/thf if you want but don't plan on getting many invites. so you'd have to make your own party. and when you invite people as nin/thf people will do /sea all "yournamehere" and then say [thanks for the offer but i'll have to pass] since you don't want to tank.

[fyrewyre]

/em drinks from his cup of Kool-Aid.

Check around, this has been discussed several times over but for the educational experience i will try to help you out with choosing a sub.
/em puts cup down.

/Thf has nothing to offer you nor the Party
/War can do everything a thf can but better

I would go into the specifics but you can take a look at the stats you get and just for reference, /thf has a nerfed (screwed) sneak attack as a sub job. The sneak attack from a nin/thf = regular critical attack, nothing more, nothing less, just a critical attack. If you want to go nin/thf despite the fact that what /thf has to offer is minimal to nothing, please try thf/nin due to the fact that everything is un-nerfed and at 55 you get tripple attack which stacks with dual weild meaning you can attack up to 6times total with your two daggers. I said i wouldnt go into it but since im kinda board i will go deeper.

TREASURE HUNTER -
Treasure hunter in a regular exp party will not help get jack since most 'regular' exp routes dont have any interesting drops imo expect maybe... mold but then again your party will pick a 45+ thf/? over a nin/thf

SNEAK ATTACK
Theif as a main will have a more powerfull sneak and trick attack compared to anyone below level 60 when it comes to skillchains.
This if course is debaitable because DRK/THF is powerfull as a main which cannot be debaited, and the sneak => trick => WS of choice will act the same as a thf main if not, stronger. I dont know the specifics since im a tank so i can tell you that much.

TRICK ATTACK
As far as i know there is no nerf on this. Trick attack as a sub will transfer hate onto the target but this does not justify /thf because all you are doing is making a mob think the person you tricked it on did lets say... 50 damage from a blade: retsu while a war would trick about 350sturmwind or drk 1,000 guillotine so you get my point by now, there wont be enough hate on that trick attack.

EVASION BONUS 1&2
Umm... let me try to make an analogy here:
What use is a Mage with Magic Spells but no MP?
Ok, i think i pretty much made sense there(?) so what i really mean is why do you need a boost in evasion if your not tanking? your not getting hit, see why its useless? Now let me address the issue of 'Trick Target' by letting the crowd know that a nin/thf has hate grabbing abilities but voke is instant and creates a big hate spike so when you add on to that, you maintain hate. With all that being said lets move on and leave this subject alone.

FLEE
Ok so you are a Lv50 Ninja and you want flee... I wont ask why because its fun racing through town but in a party, what will you do? will you be the main puller? Think from a party leaders perspective: Who should i choose to be a puller? thf/nin or nin/thf? a thf/nin will always be chosen first because they have more to offer a party no questions asked.

MUG
I only know that you can access this ability at level 74 with a /thf and chances are you wont be getting a party at 70NIN/THF so reaching MUG would be kinda pointless.

before listing other subs i might as well kick out some subs that might come to mind or someone might ask about:
BST-BLM-WHM-RDM-PLD-DRK-MNK-SAM-DRG-SMN-THF
Ok now that those are out of the picture, i might have have a few left to look at: WAR and RNG

/RANGER
Shuriken-
Now i know people must be thinking "WOW!" and i did that at first but 2days and 4hours researching and Window Shopping in the Jeuno AH i realized that a NIN/RNG would be ok with throwing 350gil every 1.94 secs (34,560gil per stack of shuriken but sold at 40k a stack or just under) would end up making you a tank over time because of hate. This would sound like a great alternate tank but its flawed in for several reasons and one being that most people do NOT make 'Ninja Stars' and sell in the AH and norg is always low. Second reason is that a whm can grab hate so easily as well as a damage dealer and many of us nin run into issues where we have lots of R.Acc but STILL miss and you cant tank in a party if half your hate is being thrown in the air... you might as well drop gil on the ground. Third reason is a blm will take hate with no problem and having a mob running around smacking your party is not a good thing in no situation unless your WHM really needs to level evasion and sheild skill.

Guns-
By using a gun you cannot fill any other position in a party but damage dealer or puller. Upon reaching 42 you will have the last level of gun a ninja can possibly use (Negoroshiki +1 29DMG 582Delay) and with that being said may i point to the last level bullets you can use? Bullets (42DMG 240delay) which are level 22. At that level or lower, damage dealers will always out damage you because of their delay and damage. At level 50 you will be fairly behind in damage and equipment. At 60 you will only have a main damage weapon set (gun and bullets) with a total of 71DMG and delay of 632 and low marksmanship skill of 171 while a DRK at 59 has Zweihander DMG 76 delay 456 or Lockhart with GS skill of 203 77dmg delay443, the War at Lv60 has a 85 hydro chopper and the with 529Delay with the skill of 203(not to mention they can swap weapons) so in 11secs they would dish that much more powerfull damage(their weaponskills and skill level contribute to attack and accuracy while a nin has a C in marksmanship, they both have an A in their respective stats) compared to a 71dmg that shows up IF it hits every 6secs if your doing nothing but shooting or if you use you wait till you have TP to shoot you still cant keep up with either one and RNG is beyond with a 40dmg 120 delay arrow and a 71dmg 490delay at level 55. Point is all damage dealers will out damage your job combo leaving it in the dust.

WARRIOR
I hope i have enough space. Warrior is the idea sub because of berserk, attack up, def up, defender, double attack, higher attack, higher def, more HP, and your able to do something thats only two other classes in the game can do: Tank. We all have bad experiences with horrible tanks and are scared to take a hit but suck it in and face it... you can do good damage, tank, and has the highest exp flow potential out of all three tanking classes (there is enough proof to debate this) provided you know how to make money and can be teachable/learn how hate works.

So in lame man's terms, sub /war :spin:

*Edit* take a look at this link.. i thought it was odd but it makes sense as to why some jobs like pld are stuck with a war sub:
Look at #9
http://ffo.warcry.com/scripts/column...306&colid=3834

And i just thought i'd address everything else incase someone asks so no one has to flame others in other/new threads (which will happen anyway...) so just link em here.

[ZQM]

Sub DRG, then you can jump uber high like Ninjas of old.

[fyrewyre]

/em just finished editing for typos.

Originally posted by ZQM
Sub DRG, then you can jump uber high like Ninjas of old.

Shhh lol, your going to start a nin/drg thread talking about jumping wyerns, 3ninjas, and subligars and he-man and all that bs >_<