PLDvsNIN

[bunta]

What are the dual wield levels again? 25, 55? 65?

[LionhartPLD]

Originally posted by Stanislav


If you are 75.. and no so little about a class you haven't played then don't post here..

NIN has the least delay of ANY class.. I attack faster then monk and as for the damage... my "Attack" is +70 on NIN if I wanted it to be.. I can him from 20-40 to 30-50 on IT monsters dependong my equip and if I decide to end a chain with Blade: Ten I can do 600-1000 damage (Not including the chain damage itself which is usually same damage as the WS)...

Seriously before you post here try playing the class :p

NIN is my second highest job.

Originally posted by Stanislav


No matter how much HP you have.. If you are taking hard hits you are gonna die..

Not if you have White Mages with any common sense. I was able to tank Charybdis because of competent healers. And it doesn't matter how many hits you can dodge if the monster kills you in one hit with its AOE.

Originally posted by Madden


Why isnt Ninja ment to tank? Would love to see you tank Fenrir with PLD ^^

--->

Originally posted by Vinen
So me and some friends decided we would try out Fenrir. We were expecting a challenge what we ended up with was a dead Fenrir on our first try with little or no effort. Only the Paladin used a potion which was a waste also cause Fenrir died 2 seconds later =x. We beat him with.
74SAM/WAR 74RNG/WAR 74PLD/WAR 74BLM/WHM 72WHM/BLM and 75RDM/WHM(me).

The Sam and Rng Took Earrings not the summon~.

[Vinen]

Hahahaha, and yeah. Fenrir was not hard with a Paladin tank. We went in expecting not to win, and we came out with a dead Fenrir.

To be honest here is my view.
Paladin are best NM Tanks
Ninja are by far the best XP group Tanks.

Ninjas always have a chance at something going wrong leading to there instant death, while paladins take consistant damage.

For Example, Madden you said a Paladin couldnt tank Fenrir right well..

Fenrir can do Dispelga then immdeitly follow with a Ecliptic Bite before Ninja had chance to reapply blink.

This attack dealed 1100+ damage to my groups Paladin and well that would instant kill a Ninja.

I'm not saying this is a common occurance but Fenrir pulled off those 2 abilites withen 3 seconds of each other during the fight against him that I had last night.

Probably yeah Ninja is "the" tank for Fenrir but, I dont like people who post ignorant comments about another class when something is obviousy possible.

Ohh and for the record. Fenrir doesnt even hit that hard on a Paladin of level 74, only 150-200damage which is VERY easily manageable with a competient healing team, .. we had RDM/WHM(me), WHM/SMN, and BLM/WHM healing out paladin.

[Ljarin]

Nin are the best NM/HNM tanks too, without a doubt. And Nin doesn't get hit anywhere near as hard as people like to make out - you try to make it look like the second any nin gets hit through blink they die..well that's a crock.

[Zaptruder]

I must confess...

Even as a paladin, I can appreciate that a good ninja will definetly do a better job then me (i.e. take less damage then anyone else in the PT).

Also... the way I play paladin... it really is simple.

Voke mob on sight, flash, cure3, and either rampart, warcry or shieldbash + sentinel. Then voke once again.

That typically holds enough hate until the skill chain; whereupon the melee should pull hate off me with a WS; thief then reaffixes onto me, which will allow the blm to MB with firaga 3 or some such... very effective SC.

It used to be that I'd try and hold hate through skill chains like a ranger's sidewinder, barrage and the thief SATAing onto the ranger... and while I could do it... just watching constantly for timers was quite tiring... maybe not as tiring as been a ninja, but definetly hard work still.



That said... a paladin isn't too far from a competent ninja tank.

[Maxamillian]

Ok I’m a little confused here what are we trying to prove? Is it

*Which job does more damage?
*Which job costs more to do?
*Which job takes the least damage?
*Which job holds hate better?
*Which job tanks various types of mobs better?
*Which job gets more xp per hr?
*Which job takes more concentration?

The which is the better tank argument can never be proven because tank effectiveness depends on skill and situation for both. It seems like both jobs at each other throats and when one job says something positive about the other (rare) it’s usually followed by something negative to make up for it why?

The jobs I play are whm/blm pld/war nin/war and (sometime) rng/nin.
I love playing as both pld and nin

My whm view: As a whm I like nin simply because I don’t have much to do just watch the show basicly.

My blm view: As a blm I like pld because I’m free to use more nukes.

But as either whm or blm I would not turn a good ninja or pld away.
:confused:

[Navia]

Originally posted by Vinen

Ninjas always have a chance at something going wrong leading to there instant death, while paladins take consistant damage.

I pride myself on dying only a handful of times in my ninja career but I had a run in with 'instant death' last night


>Navia uses berserk
>terror pugil does some non stop double attacks eating all my shadows - Ni isn't ready yet (even after I enfeebled him and wearing +41evasion gear - orz)
>Protect wears off (!!!)
>Terror pugil readies screwdriver
>Navia takes 794 damage (reaches for defender macro)
>Critical Hit! Terror pugil his Navia for 254 damage
>Navia has been defeated by the terror pugil.
>All party members go O_o

Note to self: No protect, berserked and wearing sniper rings is dangerous and can take me from full hp to dead in less than 1 second :sweat:

[Madden]

Originally posted by Vinen


This attack dealed 1100+ damage to my groups Paladin and well that would instant kill a Ninja.

Dont see why a Ninja would die from that, I been hit by that and didnt take +1100 dmg but could be because you have a better chance to avoid a few hits from the bite as Ninja.

If you post that you dont like ignorent comments you really shouldnt make them your self should you?
:angel:

[Vinen]

Im used a Taru Nin at 71 he barely breaks 1k hp >_<; So I figured that Galka may not have many more. Also most of these are def based attacks so im assume they will do more Ninjas then to a Paladin.

[Mitsu]

While im on i might as well add. While nin may not be best tanks on HNM, us nin can spam spirits without fear of ganing hate. In fact besides sam, a nin "Properly" equiped and subbed can build tp faster than any job for spirits. As fas as outside HNM fights, it all depends on what you lvl on. PLD are the king of bone/mnk pt i will not touch that one, BUUUT I have seen PLD get RIPPED apart by mobs like spiders and manticores while I sit back and whistle a happy tune while i tank worry free. In the end EVERYONE should be glad that there is an alternate tank to PLD, god KNOWS this game has enough melee

[Ghostraven]

Originally posted by Mitsu
In the end EVERYONE should be glad that there is an alternate tank to PLD, god KNOWS this game has enough melee

Exactly. As hard as it gets to find a tank sometimes people should not be complaining about an alternative to pld.

[Stanislav]

Originally posted by Vinen
Im used a Taru Nin at 71 he barely breaks 1k hp >_<; So I figured that Galka may not have many more. Also most of these are def based attacks so im assume they will do more Ninjas then to a Paladin.

1390 HP on my NIN

Except for Sickle Slash in Dragon Avery I have never died from instant death or even close to that fast as a matter of fact.. Even PLD's take huge damage from that.. And the can't stop it

[navpops]

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[Eros]

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