How Good is Ninja?

[Suntan2]

I still dont get this voke buddy stuff.

1)Utsusemi 6 hits.
Melee provokes
Melee is hit for 30 damage
Melee is hit for 56 damage! Critical Hit!
Melee is hit for 29 damage
Start Casting Utsusemi
Melee is hit for 32 damage
Ninja Provoke
Utsusemi 3 hits . . and so on

or

2)Utsusemi 6 hits
Ninja parried an attack
Ninja is hit for 35 damage
Ninja evaded an attack
Start Casting Utsusemi
Ninja is hit for 34 damage
Utsusemi 3 hits. and so on

1-36 The difference of armor between melees is low. But nin can still evade/parry quite a few hits and has less crits done to them. Imo they even out.

Also if you time your Utsusemi so that your hit at 20%~ it wont be interupted.

[ZQM]

Because people don't know how to time Utsusemi. I've had a Ninja post-ni ask me to voke off of him because he couldn't time Utsusemi otherwise.

[Deodorant]

Originally posted by lun4tic
Ninjas need to stop making themselves seem so great, because they aren't.

II have to admit that Ninjas with Utsu: Ni beat the shit out of warriors when it comes to tanking, but that's a lot of money they're using.

I'm not level 37 yet, but I can say with complete confidence that ninja 1-25 sucks the fat one. I'm guessing it gets a lot better 37+ with all the ninjas on our server.

You're basing all your "ninjas suck" statements based on your experiences from lvls 1-25? Get at least level 37 before saying anything that stupid, please

And yes, ninjas need lots of gil to be good. If you're too damn cheap to play ninja, don't play it. The reason I quit my ninja was partially because I'd spend tons of gil on equipment, blink and other ninjutsu powders, then get invited to shitty 1.5k exp/hour parties (which gets remarkably frustrating after a while).

Originally posted by ZQM
Because people don't know how to time Utsusemi. I've had a Ninja post-ni ask me to voke off of him because he couldn't time Utsusemi otherwise.

Wow that ninja must really suck ... of course, depending on mob type, and any buffs/debuffs, ninjas do get hit occasionally, but having to ask someone to provoke to recast blink is just sad :angel:

[Ljarin]

Pff anyone that thinks ninja's suck: go watch Madden 75 nin/war playing on Bismark.

[Ozymandis]

Originally posted by lun4tic
I'm leveling Ninja to sub for my warrior, and it's no treat. I hate it, to say the most. Utsu: Ichi is worthless. I could have sold that and made my life easier.

Other ninjutsu, level 15 and past, has no noticable effect on the monster. It's just more money wasted.

Is the mob being properly de-buffed? This will make a massive difference. Not long ago, levelling my WHM sub with a buddy (WAR/NIN) and a NIN/WAR, after de-buffing the NIN took basically no damage, WAR/NIN just voked every so often to share the shihei burden. We were chaining leeches in Qufim at 22-23.

Not that I'm defending NIN tanking pre-37. It's a third-rate tank at that point.

Originally posted by Ithaqua
Ok. I don't see why people think ninja's will take a beating 12-37.

It's not bad from 12-29. Your evasion, agility, and parry should keep you *pretty* safe, and armor options are all equal to 29.

At 30, Centurion's stuff comes out. It's a bit better than the best thing that NIN can wear at that time. Also, PLD's defense starts really distancing itself, and WAR/MNK's HP and VIT will get a big boost.

From 30-36 was the hardest part for me. I ended up just keeping all my +evade stuff regardless of the low defense, and mostly being a trick partner for THF and alternating tanking with another NIN or WAR/NIN.

[Denser]

Originally posted by Ljarin
Pff anyone that thinks ninja's suck: go watch Madden 75 nin/war playing on Bismark.

He's a good guy too.

PS. Hello Az :D

[Night Stalker]

well i think the only way you could really tell what is better war/nin ornin/war is to put them in a no cap. Ballista Event. and have them in there best gear and fight to the death that is the only really way to see what is truly best. just one on one battle with two really good palyer. and maybe someone and tape the battle to prove to the world what is the best lol but thats just me. sure you can b*tch about stats but to test there skills in a face to face battle is the only way and you would have to do it like 5 time to see for sure and take the avg. of the battles. so you know it was not just dumb luck maybe one day this will happen!

[lun4tic]

I switched from Katanas to Swords.

At level 23 the katanas that are offered to you are weak and useless. I could go for 12 DMG katanas, or 15 DMG swords with additional fire effect, or just plain 15 DMG swords.

Using the swords I feel like better knowing I have a skill a different class could use all leveled up. It's important to keep sword, and axe leveled up if you're going to sub ninja to warrior though. Combat Caster's Scimitar has an extra +4 acc over the Combat Caster's Axe. The level 48 axe has +10 acc though, so I like to keep both up to par.

Katanas only benefit ninjas, and they don't even benefit them that much it seems.

[Lupine]

Ninjas suck in the 20's - Limited tanking ability and probably the poorest damage of any melee job.

The job completely changes when they get the Ni line of spells.

[Omni]

Originally posted by lun4tic


Katanas only benefit ninjas, and they don't even benefit them that much it seems.

you think?! way to dig for that deep down wisdom!