NIN/MNK "Article". Pioneering for the low of gil. Please reply

[Magus]

Well, I initially was going to do Bard, but somehow I ended up as Ninja. I was initially a Monk to "power-level" my way quickly to level 30, and thus I have a very skilled Monk at the end result. I had seen someone in Jeuno that was a Level 75/37 Bard/Ninja which I was very interested in, so I decided I would opt for Ninja and level it up for a while.

Well, I had nothing to sub but a level 5 Warrior, and I didn't want to be Blink Tanking, spending money that could "only best be used in a Party environment". If I wanted to throw money out the window like that I'd have opted for a Ranger. At least then my investment might come back.

But anyhow, I noticed some interesting things with my Monk subbed. My guarding, and evasion skills were maxed out all the time I leveled, but I would expect that any high level sub job slapped on a low level character would do this. I noticed that my Vitality, HP, and Strength were high too... Obviously, duh.

But then Boost came into play, and it was nice to do the old Monk trick of boosting and then using a Weapon skill... Blade:Rin and the other one that paralyzes. I haven't done much party work because lately Tahrongi (Windurst:Seraph) has been empty.

Anyhow, the POINT I was getting too... Is that Monk adds a nice dabble of stats and abilities to the Ninja's plethora, and allows the Ninja to focus more on throwing, and other Ninjutsu without worrying about things backfiring (in the case of being killed from a higher level monster that you tried to enfeeble and then cast on with NIN/BLM or NIN/RDM.)

BUT...

What I'm wondering is if it's really possible to run such a character into "the big leagues" without being a Blink-Tanker. I've seen Ninjas out there with crazy subjobs, but all Japanese and assumably with a comfortable party. Must I run myself out of business buying Shihei after Shihei?

I will say that the bottom line is: Ninja/Monk is cheap. In times where my Kunai weren't doing much against a stronger enemy, I could throw the weapons aside and use fists, multi-hit weapon skills, and my old claws. Financially sound, but will I be emotionally paying for it later?

I'm considering sticking as Ninja/Monk, but eventually I probably will end up as Bard/Ninja, like that hero I saw in Jeuno...

Comments, please.

[Zyuu]

Hate to say this but I wouldn't invite a ninja with /mnk past 34 at the latest.. even if I had 5 people with all the right jobs for the pt and you were the only one seeking

I'm sure some others would though, I'd rather just wait 20 minutes or ask a few melee not seeking.. or something

I guess what I'm saying is you could probably get to around 50, but it would be very hard and most likely always be in sub-par parties

[Bamce Sylph]

if ur not gonna spend money on tools your being a waste of a ninja. so u bring what? dwing some weapons for crap damage? won't be useing blink, blind, paralyze, slow, debuff ninjitsu. so why would i invite you?
when i could invite a
dkn w/ stat absorbs, big damage nukes bio etc.
dragoon w/ high damage, wyvern,
ranger w/ damage oozing out of his ear's,
blm, self explanitory
monk, who in this case would do your job better having war sub (likely) for provoke incase,
theif for hate control, better pulling, and viperbite
sam, for even better skiill chains that we won't have ppl spamming them now
or warrior for general goodness

ninja's are forced into being nin/war just like pally's are also forced into subbing war. when your grouping its not about u, its about the team and the advantage from being a blink tank is faster exp that is what your spending your money on. don't like it? don't play ninja.
(ps guard only works w/ h2h weapons)

as for the bard ninja he was probaly goofing around soloing or something, that is a terirbly party combo and as u said he was jp, he knows it to take all that u get from /whm on a bard and throw it out the window for dual weild and blink is an ignorant waste. there is no reason for /nin on a bard. DON'T try and say u can dw shell busters for 8 charisma because there is a single staff that gives you the +8 w/o going into everything that /whm gives you, don't do it, don't be stupid

[Lil Dreamer]

in higher levels; u do NOT want to use H2H while being NIN.

NIN/MNK= a pool of abilities gone to waste.

[Carbon]

If you're not blinktanking, you'd better be spamming shurikens left and right.

Which means you'll end up using much much much more gil than if you were blinktanking.

[Brothershadow]

Magus I have to agree it's a very fun combo. I've tried it only up to 30/15 because my Monk is only 15th at the moment. So ive been more or less using my War as a sub because it's at 30th. As for you not getting invited to a group of course you will get invites. No one logs on at the mid to high levels finding a team of six perfect slots. It just doesnt happen. More times than not people want to start killing I.T. mobs regardless and are tired of waiting "For the perfect team". Sure like someone said above, they can get a DRK for more damage, and this is not a flame against DRK's, but also keep in mind the WTM isnt worried about your health because your still dishing out damage and not getting hit if the mob was to come your way. Just one less to heal.
Play what you wanna play. It's to bad those eggs that give a character Provoke are only attainable at the super high level or i would be completely done with my Warrior class.

[Soliloquy]

Re: NIN/MNK "Article". Pioneering for the low of gil. Please reply

Originally posted by Magus
If I wanted to throw money out the window like that I'd have opted for a Ranger. At least then my investment might come back.

NIN is at *least* as expensive as a RNG if played correctly. If you play incorrectly, you have no useful spot in any party, and the party would be better off without you in it, even if it meant lacking a member.

[Mikeb]

Only rich Ninjas (or ones that craft their own tools) are effective. Blink tanking is very nice, but to hold hate they also need to spam other Ninjitsu as well as shirukens. A Ninja that doesn't blink tank or use shirukens is a waste (might as well invite a carbuncle-only summoner). As for the Monk subjob - Monk is much better as a main job, it only works as a sub for soloing or to warrior...

[Ghostraven]

nin/mnk is doable, but you better have a static pt or RL friends to PT with or you will be levelling verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry slowlyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[Spider-Dan]

Cheap Ninjas suck.

End of line.

(For the record, today I spent over 45k in consumables alone getting my NIN/RNG from LV22 to LV25.)

[John Doe III]

Originally posted by Spider-Dan
(For the record, today I spent over 45k in consumables alone getting my NIN/RNG from LV22 to LV25.)

Every one should spend that much, I spend 30k on food for almost 2 levels on thief.

[Spider-Dan]

Originally posted by John Doe III


Every one should spend that much, I spend 30k on food for almost 2 levels on thief.

And what level is your THF?

I'm talking about 45k for ~4 hours of fighting. That's about 2k in food, generously speaking... and I didn't even include that in the figure, because food is a drop in the bucket. 400g an hour is not even worth mentioning; I spend more than that in one fight.

[Brothershadow]

Exactly. I do have a LS group to which I was using the Nin/Mnk combo and it actually was a lot of fun. But as Ghostraven said, if you dont have such a group you'll be one lonely soloing Ninja. I myself after this weekend retired the job of Ninja. It's too expensive on my pockets and as someone above previously stated if your not also spamming shurikens your not really doing the job justice. Much praise to you Ninja with the deep pockets.
Im heading back to my heavy hitter roots.

[Omni]

Originally posted by Spider-Dan
Cheap Ninjas suck.

End of line.

(For the record, today I spent over 45k in consumables alone getting my NIN/RNG from LV22 to LV25.)

word. a lot of jp players dont bother with na players is cuz a lot of dont put in the effort to make our characters the best they can. ie: not wanting to buy shihei, not wanting to buy updated equipment, not wanting to play their role in the party. the only reason why a lvl75 brd can sub whatever the heck he wants is cuz he IS LVL 75. he has the right to mess around. but at lower/mid and even semi- high lvls, you need ur pt members to be doing the best they can.

unless u have a set pt and you already have a tank, really reconsider being a ninja if you dont want to spend money on powders.