Ninja/ Ranger :D (^_^)

[lastoneup]

^^^^^^^^^ How would that work :D I dont wanna blink tank, so im gonna sub ranger

[Trimpton]

You would just be a gimp Ranger who couldnt use bows -- Youd have to end up paying more for the dmg(Since you would be limited to guns) and still wouldnt produce nearly as much damage.

If you dont want to blink tank dont play ninja, thats like saying "I want to play paladin but I dont want to tank."

[Tsubame]

If you don't want to blink tank, you can still be Nin, I still am expecting Nin to slowly evolve to something more than a job that waves flags and insults at the enemy trying to get it to attack it.

However, Nin/Rng isn't the best way to do that. Nin/Sam would be awesome I think, but mostly post 60. You could try Nin/Thf if you want, it seems to be the standard 'non-tank' nin combo, but it still isn't 100% effective. Until Square changes Nin (I feel they still will, maybe I'm wrong) your going to be 'gimped' as anything but a blink-tank, I'm afraid.

[Bamce Sylph]

flip/flop to rng/ninja and fine, otherwise your a gimp wanna be dps class

[Stanislav]

You guys have no idea what you talking about, experience the class first hand!

If you are able to burn massive money on Shurikens and Ranged Acc your then your gonna be fine.

Shurikens hit for 100-200 which is very nice damage (Even more then ranger at times). The only downside is no WS on throwing, but Ninja weapon WS are decently strong and they attack fast. If you are willing to spend 100k-200k per level then be my guest becuase you will output nice damage.

[Bamce Sylph]

"fast. If you are willing to spend 100k-200k per level then be my guest becuase you will output nice damage." and thus the problem

[Spider-Dan]

When you get access to the LV22 bullets, you will do more damage than a same-lvl RNG using bows (at about 5x the cost). Your accuracy will not be as good, but with the proper equipment (LL, VE, etc.) you can come very close; about the same as a well-equipped RNG, but still less than an uber-equipped RNG.

At LV28 you can dual wield Archer's Knives and have more RACC than a RNG/WAR.

As long as you are willing to spend LOTS of money (much, much more than blink tanking), NIN/RNG is an effective damage dealer.

[Bamce Sylph]

is it more effective than rng/nin ? (not being a smartass this time) but i don't really see ninja's doing more ranged damage than rangers w/ gear they can both use

[Kiyosuki]

These guys here have experimented with Nin/Rng lately, as far as effectivness goes, Ninja/Ranger could be the second best Ninja job combination because instead of trying to turn they're regular melee into one hit kill glory (Which it just can't really) it concentrates more on the job's variety and ranged skill which I think is a lot closer to home.

Yes, Ranger's in the long run do massive damage with Gun's and Bow's. Ninja throwing weapons have very little delay though, and high damage output. With Ranger's accuracy bonuses, increased agility, and Ninja's natural prowess with Throwing weapons you can throw at a pretty fast rate in place of regular meleeing. Basically, it seems you can make throwing more consistent and reliable. There's in battle switching between ranged throwing and guns then, which you can use at certain intervals for a big bang kind of deal I guess. The Ninjutsu a Ninja has access too as a main over a sub is just a little sprinkle of fun. Its play style would be a little different than Ranger in that regard. A little more tricky to pull off that kind of variety. Combining throwing, gun's, your regular melee and ninjutsu.

But like these guy's said, the job has got to be the most potentially expensive job combination in the game. If Ninja's could get Shuriken types out of they're butts it'd be different, but at the rate you throw the things as much as they cost now it would easilly cripple anyone's pocket fast.

The only way to get the job to work seems to be throwing money at if. If you can do that it sounds kind of fun. Most of the stuff I've heard so far's for the first 30-35 levels though. I don't know about after but I imagine it probably works the same, except the cost will just get bigger, and bigger, and bigger. I see your Rng/Nin. If you need to level Ninja up using Nin/Rng probably isn't bad at all if you devote to it a bit. But really ask yourself if you can really afford and support the job. Its got to be at least 3 times as expensive as blink tanking, maybe more if you go really hardcore.

These guys know more about it though than I do.

[Spider-Dan]

Originally posted by Bamce Sylph
is it more effective than rng/nin ? (not being a smartass this time) but i don't really see ninja's doing more ranged damage than rangers w/ gear they can both use

NIN/RNG only has an advantage over RNG/NIN if they spend more money. A RNG/NIN that uses guns would be superior... but very few RNG/NIN use guns pre-50 (I have seen zero). It is very cost-inefficient, compared to bows.

NIN vs. RNG equipment comparison (I will use normal guns, as I don't believe the +1 guns have been sold on my server yet):

NIN/RNG
Tanegashima- LV19, 15/600
Bullet- LV22, 46/240
Federation Tekko- LV25, RACC+3
Pirate's Gun- LV27, 20/600
Archer's Knives- LV28, AGI+2, RACC+20
LL+VE- AGI+6
Beetle Rings +1- LV21 RACC+4

RNG/WAR
Power Bow +1- LV16, 31/524, RACC+2, RATK+9
Great Bow +1- LV30, 44/524, RACC+2, RATK+12
Silver Arrow- LV24, 19/120
Horn Arrow- LV29, 17/90, RACC+5
Martial Slacks- LV24, AGI+2
RNG Necklace- RACC+5, RATK+5
Archer's Knife- RACC+10, AGI+1
R.F. Head + Feet- AGI+2
Beetle Rings +1- LV21 RACC+4

(rest of equipment not relevant)

Keep in mind that this is comparing a ~600k NIN/RNG to a ~100k RNG/WAR. Still, I think that a RNG with the above equipment would certainly qualify as "well-equipped."

So when you tally it up, at LV25:
NIN/RNG- 61/840, RACC+11, AGI+6
RNG/WAR- 50/644, RACC+15, RATK+14, AGI+4

At LV30:
NIN/RNG- 66/840, RACC+31, AGI+8
RNG/WAR- 61/614, RACC+30, RATK+17, AGI+5

Now obviously, when you factor in Berserk and Barrage, RNG/WAR will be better (as it should be). My point is simply that NIN/RNG will be comparable, and, IMO, still superior to most other DD classes until the 40s.

[lastoneup]

Alrighty then, thx alot for your alls help. I actully play ranger/ninja, got it to 20 last nite :D
The only reason i was wonderinghow ninja/ranger would work is beacuse i didnt wanna raise war to lvl ninja, but i guess thats what i will do. I dont have a whole bunch of money

Btw, if any of you have a second, anyone have a good way for a lvl 30 Whm, 20 Ranger, 18 BLM, 10 Ninja, and 23 fishing, 22 wood working, and 31 cooking to make a good amout of money other than insect paste? Need gil for leaping boots and arrows

Thx for all your help !

[vudoodoodoo]

NIN/RNG spamming shuriken costs so much more than NIN/WAR blink tanking. :sweat: :sweat:

[Mitsu]

And thus the need for raising guilds. I personaly have put 5 stacks of manji shuriken in AH and all it cost me was 15k per stack. I dont plan on them selling, its just that even with 3 mules im running out of space. As far as RNG/NIN is concerned...i plan on givving it a serious workout at 70. With the equip that i have ready and the rng sub i can do SUBSTANTIAL damage. Although this setup is not for my set pt, it is for a few HNM hunts/NM hunts that i will be doin in the near future. I really wanna see how well barrage stacks with my shuriken..since tp doesnt reset when switching shuriken, i plan on using fumas for barrage. Oy...just gotta raise Goldsmithing now -.-

[Bamce Sylph]

could just camp the boots? /shrug

[Spider-Dan]

Originally posted by Mitsu
I really wanna see how well barrage stacks with my shuriken..since tp doesnt reset when switching shuriken, i plan on using fumas for barrage.

I don't think Barrage works with throwing-based weapons. I know Eagle Eye doesn't.