Nin/Drk arguments

[Orochiken]

We all know that Nin/War is the best combination as far as partying goes, this isn't about arguing that. I was wondering if Nin/Drk would be a viable combination, here are the possibilities why.

Attack Boosts. Ninja was never meant to take many hits, so having the multiple Attack Boosts of the Dark Knight instead of say 1 attack boost and 1 defense boost of warrior would be beneficial.

The somewhat low defense of dark knights (not inherently very low, actually) is made up for by Utsusemi + Evasion.

At higher levels, elemental debuffs + elemental spells is a good combination. Also, draining spells are very useful.

At high level, Souleater + Last Resort + Attack Boosted Ninja + Haste items + Dual Wield = good melee damage.

I am not sure about this, but I have heard that Last Resort is a built-in provoke (The Gamefaqs site). Because this ninja sub would be good at dealing out a lot of damage, it doesn't seem implausible that it could act as a tank if it needed to (damage + activating Last Resort). If somebody could confirm the fact that Last Resort immediately draws aggro, let me know.

Cons are that Weapon Bash is useless, Arcana Circle isn't that good, and no guillotine. It also would not be able to "reliably" keep the hate as Ninja/Warriors are supposed to do.

This is a class combination that is likely to just get dismissed offhand, but I was wondering if you could actually think about it instead of reading this post, saying "it's not Nin/War, are you on crack?" and leaving. Give it some thought and let me know your reasons for thinking it's a good idea or rejecting it, please.

[TACP]

Keeping hate is hard enough with Provoke, without it I don't see how a person can tank.

A NIN/DRK could deal more damage than a NIN/WAR, but a NIN/DRK isn't going to do more damage than a RNG, DRK, BLM, etc. etc. So because of the fact a NIN/DRK will not be able to outdamage other classes, there's really no way this combo would be able to keep hate without provoke.

I sometimes wonder why I'm playing NIN when all I can do is /WAR to be effective. It can get rather boring at times .If you didn't need voke to keep hate I would have been a PLD/NIN along time ago

[Bamce Sylph]

ninjas are tanks, stop trying to take the cheap way out by not having to buy shihei level your war and be a tank

[Mikeb]

/War gives you berserk, double attack, war cry, attack bonus.

/Drk gives you last resort (which isn't very good at all compared to berserk), attack bonus, soul eater, and a bunch of gimped magic.

IMO even for damage dealing /War is better.

[Orochiken]

I'm sure it would outdamage a Nin/War. The extra attack boost and Souleater alone do that.

Of course it wouldn't be able to do as much damage as say a Drk/War, have as strong enfeebles as real mages, etc. But it can enfeeble when other melee classes cannot, and it can get up front when other caster classes cannot. This seems to me to be the way Ninja was intended, sort of able to do a little of everything but not the best at anything.

And thanks for nothing, Bamce Sylph.

Thanks to you other two for actually saying something.

[Navia]

Berserk lasts 3 minutes instead of Last resort's 30 seconds. Even if the atk boost of berserk was half of what last resort is (which it isnt) you get more damage output from berserk vs last resort over a 5 minute period before they recycle than last resort any day.

The only spell that lands past 30 will be bio because its unresistable (but will wear off quickly), using ninjitsu to slow/paralzye/slow/poison is a more effective way to enfeeble than subbing drk or any mage class for enfeebling because ninjitsu skill to land those enfeebles will be over twice the enfeeble skill when relying on a sub to do the same thing.

[Bamce Sylph]

anytime

[Kiyosuki]

Some of you guys on this forum seriously have to mellow out with the Nin/War trolling. We all know already, but that doesn't mean people can't at least talk about things on a public forum.
Mentioning that Warrior is superior is one thing, its another to just throw it around like an insult.

But yeah, Nin/Drk doesn't theoretically sound like it'd be able to even outdamage Warrior on most occasions because while Drk strength bonuses are powerful, they last for a relatively minute amount of time and Berserk is pretty potent, plus Double attack itself changes a lot. The fact that Double attack has a chance of taking effect for not just one, but possibly both of the sword strikes per hit is quite a lot of extra damage spam per strike. With your Duel Wield III and later IV, and possibly haste gear and haste itself you can land a strike of 3-4 hits somewhat often with Berserk and food mixed in there, and maybe even weapon effects.

If Ninja's were able to get more of the ABSORB spells from a Dark Knight maybe it'd actually be pretty interesting. I don't honeslty know from experience though as no one I know's ever tried it, but it doesn't sound like its particularly effective until maybe...really high levels when Drk sub starts allowing more interesting uses. But thats really high up there and even then..

[Kronosan]

heeey

I'm taru drk/thf thinking about goin NIN and been thinking about subs.
ok first of all let me share this: Last resort is a provoke ... nothing has killed me more often.... I a taru drk/.... get the hate and the pld cannot get it off me no matter what... If i don't use last resort the mob never hits me. So i've learned last resort = dead me. IF i were a NIN last resort = I'm a bad asss
I am starting to think a nin/drk could possibly hold some hate...
switching off between souleater and last resort using all the ninja goodies.
But still my point.. i think if i have one... is that damage is not only thing that cauese hate.. IM sure a nin/drk can do plenty of things to get the mobs attention. Now im not arguing for cheap vs not cheap. I think a nin/drk whos laying all his cards on the table, powders and stars, enfeebling magics last resort souleater can probably keep the hate pretty well.
Nin should be more like assassin... instead of decoy... stupid squenix ninja
but yeah NIN/war is the way to go because the NIn in this game is not the NIN we all want to be....:mad:

[Bamce Sylph]

the problem with relying on 2 self damaging ja's to keep hate is they're hurting you. and they're 5 minute reuses. no thanks, w/o provoke u can not tank. w/o war sub. you will be a second rate damage dealer, ninja's have been made into tanks and are socially accepted as such

[hocuspocus]

if nin had provoke built into the class, then /drk would be an interesting combo.


without provoke the ninja class is outright useless in an XP PT.

unfortunately S.E doesnt want anything but the nin/war combo as a main tank role.


besides i sure as hell would miss my double attack :D

[Navia]

I partied with 2drk and rng the other night in quicksand caves - there is no way to hold hate with 3 high damage jobs in pt without war sub (double attack,berserk to boost damage,provoke).

Anticans have a ws that wipes hate so you need to have provoke reserved in case they use it or self ws to get the hate back - even pld tanks have issues with antican monster.
If you are going to level on beetles all your life and you have a thf to sa+ta onto you maybe a non war sub could work but hate would be on the verge of shifting to another pt member, especially when you skillchain very early in a fight and mages try to magic burst.

war sub for life! :p

[weeman]

so do u think a taru nin/blm would be anygood

[weeman]

so do u think a taru nin/blm would be anygood

[Mikeb]

No.