ninja question and opinion with something that happen in game

[Katsuchiyo]

Or how about you 2 kiss and make up?

[Lean]

Ok Ok I didn't post something to make a flame...

Guys, I really am open to everyone's opinions, there is no need for any hate here.

Thanks for the info, Vivid, I'll keep it in mind.

Still, none of this is enough to convince me that NINs will be of any use in PvP.

[Vivid]

Ninjas have a possibility of being useful in PvP (if it's fighting another player or another party). But, not as the most commonly used sub jobs- nin/war and nin/thf for example. The only way to become an awesome fighter is to have some backup power.

(oh, and just to be clear to the general public who may think im an asshole from what qweezy's been saying. i didn't know how to do the blink quest until Maxim posted it. in fact, i STILL cannot accept the quest in Norg due to my lack of questing for Tenshoudo.)

Originally posted by qweezy


1) Nin/War can get the same haste.
2) Nin/Thf have about 2-3 higher agility then a Nin/War at level 70, which amounts to pretty much nothing.
3) Agility have nothing to do with attack speed.
4) If you're nuking elementals like crazy, your TP aren't going up. You swing or you nuke.
5) Berserk/Double Attack/Attack Up > nerfed Sneak/Trick Attack.

Where is this guide that you wrote? Did someone tell you it was really good, or you just said that yourself?

1. If you're taking this up to level 70, then a good ninja will have the shinobi earing which gives them haste+20%. Is this the same as a nin/war's haste? The added agility + the proper equipment can allow for a ninja to attack insanely fast.
2. Read number 1
3. Uh.... So it only deals with ranged attack right?
4. If you time your casting properly, your character hits while casting, I've done it, and others have seen it done.
5. Thief as a subjob ALWAYS had nerfed sneak+trick attack. The thing is, the timer on these job abilities run down faster than berserk, which makes them usable more often.

Regardless of what you reply with, I don't feel like arguing about this again and again with you. If you hate nin/thf so much, then don't be one, don't talk to one, and don't go getting all pissy when someone actually comes around and says they are pretty good. It's all a matter of opinion.

[Ljarin]

1. If you're taking this up to level 70, then a good ninja will have the shinobi earing which gives them haste+20%. Is this the same as a nin/war's haste? The added agility + the proper equipment can allow for a ninja to attack insanely fast.

I read somewhere you need to do something to get the earings to work properly? as they are not an 'additional' effect but a 'latent' effect. Anyone know more specifics? (I do agree with Vivid btw just want more info)

4. If you time your casting properly, your character hits while casting, I've done it, and others have seen it done.

Easy peasy. Anyone that can't do it, or doesn't know how to (or doesn't think that it can be done) doesn't know enough about Ninja's to be argueing over what's best and what's not.



Another good post Vivid keep it up bro

[qweezy]

Originally posted by Vivid
1. If you're taking this up to level 70, then a good ninja will have the shinobi earing which gives them haste+20%. Is this the same as a nin/war's haste? The added agility + the proper equipment can allow for a ninja to attack insanely fast.
2. Read number 1
3. Uh.... So it only deals with ranged attack right?
4. If you time your casting properly, your character hits while casting, I've done it, and others have seen it done.
5. Thief as a subjob ALWAYS had nerfed sneak+trick attack. The thing is, the timer on these job abilities run down faster than berserk, which makes them usable more often.

1. The Earrings are useless. It's Latent Effect, and the condition to activate that earring is that you have to be lower then 25% health. They sell for 2k on my server. Again, agility does nothing to improve attack speed. Nothing is stopping a Nin/War from getting the proper equipment as well.

3. Agility effects your Evade and Ranged Accuracy, that's it.

4. There is delay added to your swinging everytime you cast. Being a blink whore that have been casting Utsusemi for the past 2 months, I know this. Plus I have a ranger, using the bow/melee is the same concept. You cast/melee/cast/melee, while a pure fighter will melee/melee/melee/melee in the same amount of time, now tell me how are you gonna get good TP? Plus haste have no effect on casting time.

5. Um, Berserk adds 25% damage for 3 minutes, 2 minutes to reset. Sneak/Trick is 1 minute timer, 1 shot deal, deals about 2x normal damage. It's not even close after you factor in Double Attack/Attack Up.

Originally posted by Vivid
Regardless of what you reply with, I don't feel like arguing about this again and again with you. If you hate nin/thf so much, then don't be one, don't talk to one, and don't go getting all pissy when someone actually comes around and says they are pretty good. It's all a matter of opinion.

Regardless of what you reply with, I don't feel like arguing about this again and again with you. If you like nin/thf so much, then be one, talk to one, and don't go getting all pissy when someone actually comes around and says they are pretty bad. It's all a matter of opinion.

[Blcknite100]

dont ninja have an A in throwing skill and the best shurikens are like 63 damage and like 192 delay or something, that seems a pretty viable way of adding some damage and hate, but i dnt really know.

[Shinoro]

Yeah any NIN can use Shurikens and rapid fire them for incredible damage. The downside is Shurikens of all kinds are super expensive,e ven from the Tenshodo in Norg. However, if you ever try it, and have near-capped throwing, give it a shot, you can basically throw one shuriken after another. I've thrown about 3-4 shurikens in the time it takes a RNG to shoot one arrow.

[Blcknite100]

and they do good damage?

[qweezy]

They do good damage if the Shurikens connects. Without the 3x Ranged Accuracy Bonus that rangers get and the equipment geared towards Ranged Attack/Accuracy, you won't be hitting much at all even with capped throwing. Even high lvl rangers are complaining about accuracy problem sometimes, a Ninja without those accuracy bonuses won't do very well with ranged weapons.

If the Ranger is using his best....it will be the Cannonshell, 120 damage from ammo alone o.0.

[Vivid]

That's not entirely true. I hit... an average of 7/10 times with a non-capped throwing skill. And I don't wear any ranged accuracy+ gear.

[Blcknite100]

I think we should get to make poison that adds effects to our shurikens, that would be cool and very ninjaly