Ochiudos Kotes or AF1 Gloves

[Shinoda]

I have heard both ways, and alot of people actually say use the AF gloves, reason why I ask is I just bought Cross-Counters and am now extremely broke lol. And I just turned 54 (Yay me) so if the gloves are better then the kotes, I can sale my kotes and get alot of gil back. ^^ opinions welcome please!

[tdh]

Re: Ochiudos Kotes or AF1 Gloves

Well, from what I understand about Boost, and then AF Hands Boost, Lv.54 output will very close in damage.

As DRK55 with Berserk I have 403Atk, we'll round it down to 400 just for the hell of it. Boost is supposed to be 12% Atk boost, with AF hands it's supposed to be 18.75%, and O. Okote has Atk+20 on them. If you boost with 420ATK that comes out to 470Atk. With 400Atk and AF hands that comes out to 475atk plus whatever the STR+4 will provide you. So the difference isn't that big. You may get better milage out of the constant Atk+20 and regular Boosts, but if you already have O. Kote test them out, and find out how you put out more damage.

[Freyr]

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Ochiudos Kotes are better. The Enhances Boost Effect thing is not that big because it only lasts for one hit and makes a lot of hate for a melee attacker, also the +str is not as good as 20 attack because attack is hard to cap.

Please look at the hand to hand math thread that is sticked and get my spreadsheet and plug in your numbers to see where you stand. Your att needs to be three times the enemies def to cap but your str only needs to be 13 points max higher at 75 with the best weapon in the game then the enemies vit.

I know you said that you just bought the Cross Counters but if they are madly higher in price then the Tactician Magician's Hooks +2 sell the CC for the TMH+2, if your really need the money before you sell the kotes. Cross Counters on some servers are super expensive so if you can sell then for some acc gear to keep eating meat then I really recommend you do.

[AngryUndead]

Re: Ochiudos Kotes or AF1 Gloves

At level 54 the gloves are awesome... but as I go higher and higher, with +14 to str (before food, sheesh) I notice the cap a lot more and am missing the O.Kote. I really need to re-borrow/jack those again... hmmn.

[Freyr]

Re: Ochiudos Kotes or AF1 Gloves

At level 54 the gloves are awesome... but as I go higher and higher, with +14 to str (before food, sheesh) I notice the cap a lot more and am missing the O.Kote. I really need to re-borrow/jack those again... hmmn.

Hey Angry what weapon you using and whats your hth skill at? Also whats your avg damage per hit on a mob?

[Armando]

Re: Ochiudos Kotes or AF1 Gloves

Your att needs to be three times the enemies def to cap but your str only needs to be 13 points max higher at 75 with the best weapon in the game then the enemies vit.

Your Attack caps when it's twice the mob's Defense, not thrice. Also, it's near-impossible to cap out your STR against EXP mobs.

That aside, 20 Attack > 4 STR. Kote wins.

[AngryUndead]

Re: Ochiudos Kotes or AF1 Gloves

Right now I'm using the T.M.Hooks+1. Average damage is anywhere between 25-60/fist. It seems to vary fairly widely, and I don't party often enough to remember what it actually is. I think most of the time it is in the High 30's low 40's. I seem to remember that the DRKS and SAMS do around 70-100 so it seemed right to me.

I'll pay more attention next party.

[Partyboy]

Re: Ochiudos Kotes or AF1 Gloves

I say use Af gloves because, 20 atk isnt really worth it later on when you start hitting higher lvl's. The extra str off the gloves is pretty nice as well along with the enhances "boost" effect. I find my ws's more effective when I Boost before a ws. Overall dont let the +20 atk fool you, not worth the gil or trouble (IMO)

PB

[Armando]

Re: Ochiudos Kotes or AF1 Gloves

I say use Af gloves because, 20 atk isnt really worth it later on when you start hitting higher lvl's. The extra str off the gloves is pretty nice as well along with the enhances "boost" effect. I find my ws's more effective when I Boost before a ws. Overall dont let the +20 atk fool you, not worth the gil or trouble (IMO)

You can macro in Temple Gloves in your Boost macro so that's a non-issue. You're basically comparing 20 Attack to 4 STR, and 20 Attack still wins. I will agree that they're more trouble than they're worth, though. If you have them, or you have some magical way to get them quickly, by all means. If you don't, I wouldn't recommend wasting more than a week or two trying to get it. It depends on how badly you want them, I guess.

[Tirrock]

Re: Ochiudos Kotes or AF1 Gloves

So long as your gear set-up doesn't completely suck... Temple Gloves vs O.Kotes is really not an issue right now. You will pull hate either way. If you're looking to help your damage though, just increase STR or ATK based on your needs. If your max damage is low, more STR. If your average hits are too low, more ATK.

Either way...I suggest crow/raven beret. It's a large amount of -enmity in a gear slot we can afford to lose until level 70. And I'm going to agree with Freyr on TM hooks +2. A pretty low delay, good base damage, and +10 attack. If you need the money, I'd sell the cross counters and go with these.

[Shinoda]

Re: Ochiudos Kotes or AF1 Gloves

Here is the main stuff I have:

Weapons: Cross-counters
Body: Juju Gi
Pants: Crow Pants
Gloves: O. Kotes
Feet: Fumas Kyahan
Belt: Life Belt
Ring: Venerer
Ring: Courage
Earring: Beetle +1
Earring: Beetle +1
Neck: Tiger Stole
Head: Jugglers
Back: Jaguars Mantle (I believe, can't login right now bc of maintence.)

So that pretty much covers my slots, I eat Chiefkabobs too, any opinions on my setup or maybe something I can change? If, I sale my CC's I might buy the Kung Fu Shoes...And at 55 I already have the HQ Spike Earring's.

[Kenki]

Re: Ochiudos Kotes or AF1 Gloves

I'm not so much of a fan of sushi but I think the fish works... better than the meat. When I look at your equips I see that you might improve your damage by add more accuracy.

The Tiger Sole is a good piece of equipment but if you're adding more accuracy (replace the rings with snipers) then you might want to take the Spike Necklace for +3 Str.

Personally, at lv54 I prefer the Sushi setup more than the meat setup. That means, you can use sushi and throw away your life belt + acc rings in favor of Brown belt and Victory Rings (expensive O_O); This setup also make Okote more valueable than the meat setup.

About Kote VS AF gloves, well idk but someone said they parsed the +11Str bracers and Kote => kote win end game without meat. Still the win is very very marginal and I doubt that the extra Str add much to damage at that level anyway (you only get like +13 bonus to dmg with Str at most I think). The way I see it, if Okote is over the roof in price then just sell it, I still find myself using AF at lv75 even if I have kote >_<; Still if you want to change to use sushi then you might want to keep the kote for sometimes and compare it with AF.