Guard Skill Ups.....Painful!

[dragen3]

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You have to be engaged with the mob in order to guard it doesn't seem to work if you just stand there. Since Guard is checked after you evade it may be an idea to decrease Evasion providing you can still survive doing so.

[tdh]

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It makes sense to me that Parry would require you to have your weapons drawn, but from my idea of Guarding, you wouldn't need to be engaging the mob. I mean it's like not fighting somebody and blocking a punch/kick. (Whether it be luck or not. lol) But you may be right in the notion that you must have your weapon drawn.

Now I understand why you don't want a MNK to Counter an attack if they don't have their weapon drawn. Say a MNK75 subs WHM for some reason or another, Cures a Lv.15 person in the Dunes and pulls hate. Counter for 250dmg and kill the mob. Party gets not EXP. (I've actually PL'd a friend, had Blaze Spikes up and I killed it. They didn't get any EXP for it. Oops!) So that makes sense. But I'd like to think you could Guard an attack even if you're actively fighting it.

[Caspian]

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Maybe your skilling on mobs for a higher skill lv. Try doing it on some weaker mobs nearer to lv90 skill. You should be able to get that of crawlers in crawlnest, the ones you fight at lv32. Try Bats and Beetles in garliage as well. Theyre sort of 95-120 skill so should skill you up. tdh I dont think you can just let the mob beat on you for 5 days because you have to be engaged as far as I can tell so youd kill the mob unless it works when your facing away not attacking but Ive had this happen to me yet.

The only thing about this is that his evasion will be WAY higher than the mobs accuracy unless he gets his hands on a LOT of -eva gear. He'll be evading so much his guarding won't even get a chance to activate. Maybe going against EM's with a fair amount of -eva gear? Atleast something in the EP-DC range. Since evasion checks first, if he were fighting too weak mobs, there wouldn't be much of a chance for guard to even get to a point where it could perform a check.

[The Don]

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Now I understand why you don't want a MNK to Counter an attack if they don't have their weapon drawn. Say a MNK75 subs WHM for some reason or another, Cures a Lv.15 person in the Dunes and pulls hate. Counter for 250dmg and kill the mob. Party gets not EXP.

SE has fixed this....or so I hear. Im not certain, but think so.

The only thing about this is that his evasion will be WAY higher than the mobs accuracy unless he gets his hands on a LOT of -eva gear. He'll be evading so much his guarding won't even get a chance to activate. Maybe going against EM's with a fair amount of -eva gear? Atleast something in the EP-DC range. Since evasion checks first, if he were fighting too weak mobs, there wouldn't be much of a chance for guard to even get to a point where it could perform a check.

Indeed...so the only bet is to lower my eva? Crap! It STAYS capped. Eva just caps soooo fast. Id have to find a way to lower it significantly....

[Caspian]

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Indeed...so the only bet is to lower my eva? Crap! It STAYS capped. Eva just caps soooo fast. Id have to find a way to lower it significantly....

Maybe some attack earrings and sentinel's or cavalier's mantle. Don't know how much money you have, but maybe o. kote and cross counters if you got 'em. Get a mage or two and duo or trio some EP's to DC's. Much lower than that and your -eva gear won't be as useful, much higher than that and you may get your ass kicked. Gl with whatever you decide though.

[arkaine23]

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I've guarded when not engaged. Guard strikes me as being EXACTLY like the shield skill. You have to be facing the mob, that's all. I'd even bet that agi+ and eva- will make it proc more often. Since we're all underleveled, the best thing to do is pick on weaker mobs. Yhotoar mandies would probably be good for a monk in their 50's.

[Vidia]

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How i got my guarding skill to 216:
I started with the easy stuff soloing orcish champions with relic knuckles equiped, white mage sub lots of Hp and Mp recovery over time drinks that 1 damage 999 delay draws the fight out and i usually got .1-.5 skill per fight in a 15-20 minute fight (lots of pain) i did that until about 150 guard skill.
next bet LOTS AND LOTS of bone parties voke constantly stack all the VIT and -EVA you can Don't do counterstance (i know it's painful but sacrifices must be made) voking as much as you can to get them to hate you the more damageyou take the more opportunity for guard skill :D that works until capped but doesn't work very fast.
Extra effort: After being a bored kitty monk for too long i started to go (attempt) to solo weapons in sky for fun with war sub using full AF2 to get the maximum Hp and longevity i let a deco beat on me until i couldn't last any longer i'd run to the zone like a chicken ^^: but they get me some good guard skill up got like 10-15 skill lvls doing that figure i'll do that until 216-cap (or until i'm insane)
Must note during all of this i wore all the -evasion gear i could and all the +guard (guarding torque earring Melee gaiters and temple hose) and used relic knuckles for all the stuff i could let beat on me for long time 1 damage 999 delay is good if you want a long fight

well good luck with your guarding skill it's a long road but worth it i think

[Mithrael]

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You can guard any time your weapons are drawn, however, they don't need to be drawn on the mob you're fighting. Once way to level guard is to aggro a MNK type orc, then switch your target to another mob. You won't kill the mnk, and will occasionally guard, and eventually counter-kill him. It's really tedious though

[Omni]

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i really dont think you need to be engaged to guard. i got aggro while walking in gc this weekend as my mnk and before i got to engage the beetle, i guarded his first attack. so i dont think you have to actually be in battle to guard. sort of like shield skill as someone previously pointed out.

[Vidia]

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i really dont think you need to be engaged to guard. i got aggro while walking in gc this weekend as my mnk and before i got to engage the beetle, i guarded his first attack. so i dont think you have to actually be in battle to guard. sort of like shield skill as someone previously pointed out.

You don't have to be engauged to the mob that you guard from but pulling more then one EP DC orc especially ones that attack as quickly as the Champions is a very bad idea unless you have lots of stacked evasion (another bad idea for skilling guard) or an outside healer so i'm gonna stick with the big delay

[Mithrael]

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Guess i stand corrected. I'll try this tonight and see for myself. I swear to you though... this did not used to be the case. Maybe it was changed the same timethey changed how shield blocks worked.

[Mithrael]

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Are you guys sure that you can guard without your weapons drawn? I let a too weak mob beat on me 2hp at a time until i was down to 300 hp and i didn't guard once. I could have had excessively bad luck... but my guard with my af pants and torque was well over 100, and it was a l.v15-ish mob, i should have guarded at least once if what you say is true.

Someone said they were pulling and guarded before you drew your weapon. Did you already hit attack? I've guarded and countered during the the lag between hitting attack and actually drawing my weapons.

Guess I'll try it again...

[Omni]

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how would you tell the difference btwn regular dmg and guarded dmg on a lvl. 15 mob when you're 66? that's like a difference of 15 dmg and 9 dmg. can easily be mistaken unless you were watching that whole time for the guard animation. O.o

[Mithrael]

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i just watched the screen, hoping i could confirm you guys were right and i could use this to level my guard skill with some au'laits and /whm sub... but that doesn't answer my question. Has anyone 100% confirmed that you can guard without being engaged? I'm going to try again tonight, for kicks, but i'm just curious. If anything, it seems to kickin a lot less often if you're not engaged, since i guard a reasonable amount on normal fights, i should have seen myself guard at least once in the 20 minutes i tried it.

[Omni]

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well, i can only speak for myself but i saw the guard (looks exactly like parry just no weapon) animation from my mnk before i engaged the mob. /shrug