ATT and STR balance.

[Gaignum]

hey guys, getting ever closer to 75 finally with mnk.

As a elvaan mnk, ive always based my equip on all the str i can get, then just round it off with sole sushi for acc, but ive run into an issue, that i think is STR related, but im not 100% sure.

run down on equip.

weapon: Vishnu cesti - dmg 7 del 0 str 2 dex 2 agi-1 acc 4
head: AF - mnd 4-5?
neck: spectacles - 7acc 7 rnged acc
earring 1: triumph earring - 2 str
earring 2: minuet earring - str 1 dex 1 minuet acc 3
body: AF - acc5
hands: AF str 4
ring 1: victory ring - str 4
ring 2: victory ring - str 4
back: amemet mantle - str 1 attack 10 ranged attack 10
waist: brown belt - str 5 haste 8%
legs: AF - not important enough to remember
feet: AF - dex 4

total for me 70 base str +29 w/ equip and food.

so as you can see if have quite a lot of str.
now for my consern...
im not to terribly worried about regular hits, those come fine, and i can see that from the dmg on each hit.
but what im looking for is more consistent dmg on my WS's.
with war sub doing dragon kick they usually look something like this.
150
340
175
800
420
65
350 etc etc...

im not really sure whats causing the extremely low ones, ive done like 60dmg Dragon kicks on VT giraffes in bibiki bay like 3 or 4 times.

Is there anyway i can balance my dmg alittle more?
any recommendations?
i would rather see a more consistent 3-500 DK than constantly going up and down.

[Sepukku]

Re: ATT and STR balance.

Ive missed a complete Raging Fists (whiffed all 5 punches) right after the previous Raging Fists doing over 400 damage.... I nailed a 541 Raging Fists on a VT Antican the other day (my highest RF in an XP PT yet), then on the T- Beetle that followed it I did like 80-something (curse you Rhino Gaurd right before my WS).

[Gaignum]

Re: ATT and STR balance.

i understand what your saying, but not quite what im looking for.

[Aneyeisuponyou]

Re: ATT and STR balance.

Dragon Kick is a 2 hit WS. That's what he meant by the RF reference. You're low damage Dk's are most likely coming from you missing one of the hits. Not excatly sure why you titled the thread " ATT and STR Balance." But if you're thinking about the min vs max damage and str vs att discussion. Check out the stickied thread up top that reads "Does ATK cap out .. ? "

[LadyPeorth]

Re: ATT and STR balance.

Chances are you're just missing one of the two hits...or is Dragon Kick 3 hits? Every MNK skill is always 2 hits but not sure if DK is 3 hits.

You also might want to swap out Vishnu's Cesti. The low delay is nice for getting TP, but you need +DMG to hit higher WS. I found I was barely able to break 1000 damage with Asuran Fists and Shiva's Claws. I easily surpassed 1000 when I switched back to Feral Fangs for a bit.

[Gaignum]

Re: ATT and STR balance.

Im personally starting to think that DK is just a unreliable WS without SATA somewhat like Cross Reaper.
many of my /war friend subs that are now high lvl mnks have the same problem even at like 120str 90vit.

the reason why i labeled the thread the way i did was because i was thinking that i might have been to overblown on STR as supposed to only have 1 item that gives me att and that it might have been negatively affecting me.

[LordBiGGs]

Re: ATT and STR balance.

i think you definitely need to get some different claws. remember the delay of your claws is added to the base delay of your fists. so say a war or whatever is using a sword with 250 delay and you have claws with 0 delay. you probably arent going to attack much faster than the sword user. so 0 delay claws probably end up with 200ish delay and 50 delay claws would be 250'ish. regardless i definitely thinking losing some attack speed is worth higher damage.

[Gaignum]

Re: ATT and STR balance.

the h2h weapons arent really gonna affect my dmg going up and down... thats what i was trying to balance, ive had a couple pts since i made this post, and im all but certain DK is jus one of them WSs, again, like cross reaper, that needs that boost from SATA to do reliable consistent dmg..

back onto the h2h issue, i wasnt really necessarily worried about the lower or higher hits, i was just looking for more of a balance in WS dmg something like 400 500 400 600 500 etc etc... and SATA gives me this, as soon as 71 rolls around its going to be back to war anyways... so its not like i have to put up with it much longer...
again, i was just thinking that i was to overloaded on STR, and that it was negatively affecting my WS dmg, since having some attack+ seems to even dmg out alittle bit.

[Redlimit]

Re: ATT and STR balance.

The base damage on your H2H weapon is a very large factor in your Weapon Skill damage. Wearing Vishnu (7 base) and using a WS and wearing Koening Knuckles (19 base) will be an extremely large variation in damage.

This is why I was dissapointed with Meteor Cesti - great bonuses and low delay, but low base damage. I went from doing 800+ damage with Asuran Fists to around 300, with just a change from +19 to +8.

Its not the lack of Attack that is bringing your WS damage down. Attack has little to do with anything at 75 for a MNK. Its all about the STR (and it always has been for a MNK).

Get a higher damage H2H and your WS damage will skyrocket. You will have to live with a lower delay, but its nothing that bad. Even with a +delay of 100 a 75 MNK still attacks much faster than most jobs.

[Gaignum]

Re: ATT and STR balance.

im not really conserned with the max output, i was more conserned with just evening the dmg out.
with my build, vishnus only make about a 50-100dmg difference on DK dmg using SATA.
i was only trying to see if my equip was making my SC results so teeter tottered.

[Aneyeisuponyou]

Re: ATT and STR balance.

Oh, well yeah. It won't help your SC dmg really.

[CaptainAccident]

Re: ATT and STR balance.

I was under the impression DK might vary by foot wear(kung fu shoes, Wulong) since it's....a kick? But I'm not too sure lol. Can anyone varifiy?

[Yoko]

Re: ATT and STR balance.

Interesting thought, i know for sure that those increase kick dmg, so it would be kinda logical to have it increase DK dmg... although, things dont work always as they should in WS's, so it would be something to look into....

[Kildem]

Re: ATT and STR balance.

Sometimes i think my monk sucks a little in attack when i can't hit a konschtat enemy in one hit or i miss it................

(lvl 46 mnk)
I need to fix a little my whole equip maybe...........

[Redlimit]

Re: ATT and STR balance.

Dragon Kick is not affected by what type of footwear you are equipped with. It has been heavily tested.

Dragon Kick damage is calculated like this:

Dragon Kick TP modifier:2.00/2.50/3.00 2 hits STR_50% VIT_50%

STR and VIT heavily factor into it, and it already starts with a 2.00 damage modifier at 100% TP.