MUST have equipment?

[Sakome]

Basically as the title says. I'm thinking of playing monk but I can't afford stuff like Cross-Counters or Spectacles or a scorpian harness . Stuff like sniper rings and Brown belt is acceptable though. And I refuse to get that Ochioude's Kote. Its simply not worth 1.5 mil + (on my server) >_<. Rather have hume rse gloves or AF right?

[zorca]

In my opinion O.kote does worth the money. If u have a chance u can borrow it from a friend at lv34 and try it out yourself. You'll realize a very nice dmg boost with that +20atk bonus.

After getting the AF glove at 54, I've compared AF glove vs O.kote repeatedly on XP mobs (from vts to IT+) and came to a conclusion that O.kote is still better. I even have a brd doing double minuet when i was doing the comparision. Heck, O.kote just give much more consistant dmg that I constantly turned the monster just by my punches (which AF kotes didnt do it as often).

However, after lv60 I obtained Pallas and it's simple awesome. However, I'm pretty sure if u dont have minuets to back up attack O.kote will still give more constant dmg over Pallas.

P.S. Don't flame me to death

[Redlimit]

Kote are a powerful piece of equipment, but only to a certain point. STR becomes far more desireable than Attack the farther you level up.

Right at 54, you will barely be able to tell the difference in damage with Kote or AF Gloves. This should be telling you something right away - 20 attack is about on par with 4 STR at your level. The higher you go, the more STR becomes useful.

So, basically Kote are far beyond outdated at 70+. This to me means that it is not an "absolutely required equip piece" for a MNK.

As far as absolute needed equipment goes...

Life Belt
Brown Belt
Snipers / STR Rings
Jujitsu Gi / AF Body
Amemit Mantle (or its new replacement)

Anything after that is pretty much personal preferance. MNK have a lot of good H2H weapons to choose from these days, there isn't really a clear winner anymore.

[Zevhades]

Monk is a far more versatile job than most would like to get into, thus I can't really tell you "must have" gear. It really depends on how you want to play the job. I have a ton of gear for doing lots of different stuff; monk alone takes up 6 macro palettes for me heh.

[Nodachi]

Originally posted by zorca
In my opinion O.kote does worth the money. If u have a chance u can borrow it from a friend at lv34 and try it out yourself. You'll realize a very nice dmg boost with that +20atk bonus.

After getting the AF glove at 54, I've compared AF glove vs O.kote repeatedly on XP mobs (from vts to IT+) and came to a conclusion that O.kote is still better. I even have a brd doing double minuet when i was doing the comparision. Heck, O.kote just give much more consistant dmg that I constantly turned the monster just by my punches (which AF kotes didnt do it as often).

However, after lv60 I obtained Pallas and it's simple awesome. However, I'm pretty sure if u dont have minuets to back up attack O.kote will still give more constant dmg over Pallas.

P.S. Don't flame me to death

Sorry not going to flame you. And i can only compare the ochidos kote situation on samurai but. The statement where you say the ochidos Kote are more consistant than AF gloves. Don't the AF gloves come with +STR? If so then gloves are technically more consistant than Ochidos will be. Attk ups your max damage, while STR ups your average damage, and makes it occur more often. )in a nutshell that's how the two work(

So you could say you see a higher max damage, but not sure about how consistant it is.

[Mikeb]

Originally posted by Nodachi
Sorry not going to flame you. And i can only compare the ochidos kote situation on samurai but. The statement where you say the ochidos Kote are more consistant than AF gloves. Don't the AF gloves come with +STR? If so then gloves are technically more consistant than Ochidos will be. Attk ups your max damage, while STR ups your average damage, and makes it occur more often. )in a nutshell that's how the two work(

So you could say you see a higher max damage, but not sure about how consistant it is.

You got it backwards. STR sets the maximum, Attack sets the average.

[Nodachi]

/no. Attack is your max potential, strength helps you reach that potential. Unless they changed this with NA release, it's always been that way. People missconscrew it through self made faqs and trash posts on forums all the time though, so i can see how it has been missunderstood.

[l)@RK-l)EVIL]

yeah what noda said is the right thing

DMG = your current damage cap
more attack help ya reach the the current cap but you wont always hit the max~
more STR = higher chance to hit highest is you can

i dunno how to explain it :p hope some ppl get the point lol

[Jei]

interesting. Most ppl I talked to in game seem to believe Str is max, and +attack is average damage as well. I'll test it out.

[Aneyeisuponyou]

http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/sho...threadid=40812

Yea

[zorca]

Well, I'm a mnk63 with o.kote and pallas. The difference is very obvious in an XP pt when we fight IT+ mobs. Whenever I don't have minuet and use pallas, my dmg per punch varies quite a bit. Switching to o.kote yield much more "consistant" dmg.

If +atk raises your max potential damage, then why does minuet seem to boost your overall dmg instead the max potential dmg?To me, whenever I have minuet, it's something like the song adds a fixed amount of dmg to our final dmg output. This also seems true to all melee jobs not just mnks (I'm also a brd ).

I havent tried the 2 gloves with any other job maybe the weapon dmg ( H2H vs Great Katana) would make the difference more subtle or something XD

[Kirak]

Disclaimer: I am cheap

From My experiance (55Mnk) all i really went after was the Jujitsu Gi but with the increase of price in that, it may not be worth it now

The +Acc helps along with Battle Gloves

Snipers you can go without, unless you want to be the best, but when you pull hate, the -20 defense hurts. Also i could easily pull aggro at 40 without snipers and they only really come into play at the high 40s when you can just as easily get life belt.

Kote and Fumas are pointless in my opinion, Pandy is up to 1.3mil and 7ook respectively, so unless you want to camp 'em with a friend, stick with battle gloves and some footwear

Life Belt is a must, Brown Belt just wait till 50 or 55 and do the quest. It's good for farming and PTs where acc is not a problem, but for the most part i stick with Life Belt

One thing that annoys me is the number of people who go for the Elitist Set of Equipment, which i think totals around 5.5 mil on my server (estimate.) About a year ago you could get most of this for about 2 mil, and most of the heavy stuff wasn't needed till later on. Now, you need to take about a month of non-stop farming to get the items which really annoys me.

With Zerk and Focus, you can easily deal alot of damage, with out pulling hate, and it you want hate for some reason, or alot of damage, chi-blast the guy before the fight. Regardless, go with what you can get, most of the stuff you can replace at 50-60 with AF Which you shouldn't have much trouble getting if your going to go on a leveling spree

[Gtsgunner]

For me right now in Kujata the kote is 3.2 mil and I SWEAR I AM NEVER PAYING THAT MUCH for a dam glove.

Seriously I think thats way overpriced. I'd shell out a mil or a mil and a half but 3.2 is just way too much -_- Thats why I think I'll just go with my battle gloves till I get the af gloves or find something better inbetween :spin:



Edit: hmm I think I overexxagerated teh cost lol I thought I saw 3.2 mill but I guess I was wrong its around 1.8 mil at the moment though v.v

[tsunamibomb]

Most monks nowadays eat sole sushi for accuracy, and so you lose a lot of attack (+54 attack to be exact, if I were to eat mithkabobs at my lvl). imo if you eat sushi, O.Kotes is the way to go, the damage is very clear over my enkelados bracelets (+7 str, better than AF's +4). Once a mob cons to you as low defence it's better to wear STR items, but that won't be the case for monks on most occasions. I showed a monk friend of mine parser stats of OKotes vs AFGloves against Tracker Ant Lion's in Attohwa Chasm, and there was a huge difference (about 8% I believe).

[LordBiGGs]

really i would say it varies by lvl a lot and what other gear you have. if you're have high str, then you want to boost your attack so its not capping your damage and minimizing the affects of your str. if you use sushi you should most likely use the kote, since with sushi you can wear str rings instead of snipers.

and yea attack is defininitely max damage. pld's have pretty good str, but no attack, so no damage.