Optimal MND Gear

[Effen]

Why do you need to bring my FAQ into this? Are you jealous? Thanks for your input but there are PLENTY of positive posts out there about my FAQ, if you don't like it, don't read it. Look up what FAQ stands for, perhaps you would get a clue. I did not once use that as any of my points.

Nor am I trolling. I put out facts, and if you think like the above two posters that attack increases damage on Chi Blast, then you should be ashamed of yourself for even being LV75.

[Aneyeisuponyou]

What's wrong is thinking you're something special because you can post a long ass FAQ with information that anyone with half a brain cell that ever played monk, could figure out themself. I have an idea, why not write a FAQ on how to be an annoying board troll

That's what I said, doesn't say anything about attack does it? Nope sure doesn't. I think it's pretty clear what I said. They stopped posting maybe because they were done agruing, and you're trying to get something started again , which in my book makes you a troll, and if I state your FAQ is a buncha facts that anyone could put together. It's what I mean, I'm not jealous that you can state the obvious.

If you still don't understand it, please reread, it's quite to the point. I'm done on this topic.

[Effen]

Good that you are done, cause your post made absolutely no sense.

Stick with the topic. Nothing from your last two posts had anything to do with Chi Blast but attempts of personal attacks towards me and my FAQ.


added: BTW, feel free to make a post on allakhazam about my FAQ, and see how many people with less than "half a brain cell" will think otherwise.

[Talus]

Who gives a damn about Allakhazam? Are you not strong enough to stand on your own that you need a bunch of acolytes to back you up?

FACT:

Boost: Enhances the power of your next attack.

Read the description of the job ability. I think you're too lazy to skillup staff. That's my opinion. It doesn't change the fact of what boost does.

Before you talked about some random multiplier coming into effect in the Chi Blast damage equation. Could it possibly be that raising your skill level with a weapon (which also raises attack, that can be seen easily enough) also helps in the random multiplier you draw out? It's not that random. That's your opinion.

I said before, agree to disagree, I was done arguing. I'm enjoying the game regardless of if you can admit you could be wrong.

Because you'll probably bring up this post later, notice I said:

- "..if you can admit you could be wrong."

This is not:

- "..you are definitely wrong, admit it."

There, now there shouldn't be any misconstruing this post. Have fun on your server, I'll have fun on mine.

[Talus]

I like how this topic got derailed into a flame fest as well.

I posted what I felt was the best possible equipment for HNM when a monk's role is mainly to Chi Blast (i.e. not meleeing the HNM).

Any disagreements on the slots and the items I included as being the best gear a monk could possibly have for Chi Blast? No? Good.

MNK subbing WHM is for a few extra points of MND, not particularly Stoneskin. Blink is gonna save your ass more than Stoneskin is, particuarly since your enhancing magic is gimped, and it's not gonna be as effective a defense as say a RDM75's Stoneskin. Blink is the same regardless of the level you cast it.

[Talus]

Lastly, I think the reason the FAQ was brought up is because you're coming off like a condescending asshole.

[Effen]

I'm coming off like a "condescending asshole" not because of my FAQ, because I know for a fact and tested that attack has nothing to do with the damage of Chi Blast.

You have made 3 posts without actually testing it yourself and started blabbling on once again.

I gave you an example for your test which is quite simple and would EASILY showed that attack nor staff skill has anything to do with the damage out put of chi blast, yet you choose to ignore the fact and continue your ignorant BS.

I do NOT need anyone to back me up. But if Aneyeisuponyou needs to find people who think my FAQ is useful and since he puts that anyone with "half a brain cell" can write this FAQ, I suggested him to go to allakhazam, or even ffvault, or Killingifrit. You will find plenty of ppl who appreciates the FAQ.

Boost effects attack, yes. So what? That doesn't mean that's all boost does. Attack and number of boost is two different things. Is that so hard to understand for you? Berserk increases your attack, but it also act as a mini provoke which is not stated in the discription, so do you choose to ignore that too?

Seriously, before your next retarded reply, go do some testing with 999 attack and 200 attack. Then come back and open your mouth again.

[ZQM]

Fact: Boost description says it raises ATK.

Fact: Berserks description says it raies ATK.

Fact: ATK does not affect ranged attacks.

Fact: Berserk affects ranged attacks.

So once can some to conclusion: Just because it says one thing in description, doesn't mean it's the only thing it does.

Also, there a couple of instances where the ingame descriptions have been proven wrong from testing(Link, good info hidden in flames).

I am not saying weather or not ATK effects Boost, mearly pointing out a few facts. I do suggest doing what Effen suggests and actually testing information though.

[breal777]

Originally posted by Effen
so... what happened to Breal and Talus? I like how people start a debate and when they find out they are wrong, they just conveniently disappear pretending that they didn't say anything.

I have better things to do than to listen to you talk when I have tested and know that you're wrong.

[Effen]

Then it's proven, you are an idiot who refuse to accept the truth.

added: If you "tested" anything, why not share with us your results and how you tested it? Have you tried the test that I suggested? It's just common sense really, use some logic here. You can't even back up what you are saying.

Try a Chi blast with a weapon that you have 250+ skill on (H2H), then try something you have 50 or less. If it has anything to do with weapon skill or attack, the difference would be night and day. It doesn't take a geneous to figure this out.

You should be ashamed of yourself that LV50s on other forums knows this, yet a LV75 vet like you don't... or just refuse to listen to someone who has done numerous testing with parsers. There are a few discussions about Chi Blast on the allakhazam board, we got data from a lot of other monks, and it's proven. Now we are trying to find the exact formula for it. So please, try acting like you know...

[kaindgs]

Wow, I can't believe so many people are stuck on ATK being the factor in Chi Blast. At 75 it's really easy to prove it doesn't.... sub war, equip H2H, eat mithkabob. Use a lot of +atk.

Start boosting, use berserk. As soon as you hit 999 ATK there should be no difference in any additional boosts by your logic, right? So go ahead and Chi Blast.

Now try chi blasting the same way but get a full 12 boosts (assuming you hit 999 atk before 12 before), which should mean boosting 1-2 times more than when you stopped at 999. You will notice that the dmg is quite a bit less when you stopped at 999 than when you boost until the full # of boosts are possible.

Or, as Effen said many times, try comparing comparing a weapon with 0 or low skill (either club and staff) with hand-to-hand. Don't even boost, just Chi Blast. There should be something like a 200-300 attack difference at least. That's a good few boosts worth of attack, but your testing should show that any differences are extremely small and aren't consistent, especially not a few boosts worth different.

Now, I don't even know Effen, and I don't think I've ever even posted in the same thread as him before so I'm not trying to defend him or anything... but I don't see why so many people flamed him in this thread. His info was quite accurate, and he was pretty polite about it, before he got frustrated anyways.

Sorry to bump a pretty nasty thread, don't read this forum as often as I should. Just don't want people to get misinformed:sweat:

[Faranim]

I'm not a Monk but I think I'd point out a few things:

1. Did anyone consider that perhaps your Attack can go well above 999, except that 999 is the maximum number that can be displayed? It is possible that your Attack does have a small effect on your Chi Blast Damage.

2. Effen so far has provided the most support for his claims, and has done so in the least offensive manner. I personally have always thought Chi Blast = MND + Boost, and nothing more. However, I do not have any experience to prove or disprove this.

3. From what I have experienced with Monks in my linkshell, Equip AF Gloves when you do boost, and make sure you have all your +MND when you actually release Chi Blast. As far as I know, your actual "Staff Skill" only effects Attack and Accuracy for melee attacks, and does not have any effect on Chi Blast.

[Aneyeisuponyou]

Well, yeah I never said Effen was wrong, and he's not, cept that haste thing which he realized was lag. I hate FAQ's what can I say, just a pet pev. Anyway with +atk, doesn't effect chi blast at all. Cause if it did staff skill would improve chi dmg, which it doesn't. This threads old news, no need to repeat passed things said.

P.S. Skilling staff is fun tho.

[ZQM]

Theory:

Just like boost, Berserk is a job ability that adds ATK. Though ATK was shown not to be a variable in the Chi Blast calculation, Boost still helps Chi Blast damage. Has anybody test Chi Blast with Berserk on (and other abilities like Soul Eater, Last Resort, ATK up job trait, ect.)?

Anybody care to do some testing?

[Effen]

Yes I have tried it with berserk. Basically getting attack to 999, and the result was the same if I didn't use berserk with Kabob.