Am I doing something wrong?

[xShagratx]

Hi fellow Monks. I usually don't post anything as I am just a reader of the topics. However I was partying in my static PT last night and I was looking at the DMG output on my MNK compared to the SAM in my PT.

Well I was doing about 25-40 per fist, while he was doing 50-60 per slash. He doesn't farm/make cash alot in anyway so his gear is kinda not the best. However mine is worth a good 1.5-1.6 million or something at lvl 44.

I have as follow

Mythril Knuckles +1
Beetle Earrings (x2)
Merc. Capt. Headgear
Spike Necklace
Jujitsu Gi
Ochiduo Kotes
Jujitsu Sitabaki
Pussiance Ring
Sniper Ring
Brown Belt
Fuma Khayan
Wolf Mantle+1

Anyways, back to what im trying to say...

I was just thinking, for all my time and effort shouldn't I be doing a little more damage? I mean, he spent a few hundred k on his equipment, while I've spent more than triple...which by the way took me a quite awhile to get, and im doing about 10-20 extra damage max. The only thing I completely wipe the floor with him in is WS. Raging Fists is killer.. But anyways what the hell? I was fighting Beetles in Western Altepa, could that be the reaosn I was doing more damage? Or what? Am I missing something?

[AkumuX]

Well, that's just about par, dude. Please do keep in mind 25-40 per fist with 91delay on knucks and a 360delay on your fists. Is 451 delay, at 25-40 dmg is. 50-80dmg per round.

Your SAM probably had Hosodachi which is 428 delay and you say he was hitting 50-60 per slash.

50-80 451 delay you
50-60 428 delay him

So where's the problem?

You were fighting beetles. Beetles and crab (crabs more so) are not kind to dmg. Their tough shells knock a good 10% or so off our damage, not sure of Samurai.

Also, Monks don't like beetles and crabs, crabs especially since their shell, their buffs, their STR down AOE, and unable to make distortion. Beetles monk can Fusion them, but unless you were going Tachi: Enpi > Burning Blade > Raging Fists (which somehow I doubt) soloing your WS sucks.

You're fine, just hang in there. At 50 you'll get Double Attack, at 51 you get Kick Attacks, and then that Samurai is eating your dust damage wise. (Though keep in mind, SAM are skill chainers, and not out and out damage, like we are.)

Go fight some Rumbles at 48~ish and tell me if you are dissapointed with your damage output with those equips. (You certainly shouldn't be.)

PS It's Jujitsu Gi, Jujitsu Sitabaki.

[Toede]

Do you run a parser at all? I think you would be suprised on the damage difference between you 2. I could have sworn i was dong horrible damage until i checked out a parser that i had run during an EXP party. Even changed my outlook on accuracy, i was hitting more than i had thought. =)

You will notice a HUGE difference in damage when you get to level 51 and get Kick and Double attack from your Warrior Sub. Nothing better than hitting 4 times and finishing that off with a kick. Makes me feel all good inside.

I think beetles have a role in the damage too, we dont hit them as hard. I also think our delay is slightly lower than a Sams, so we will eventually get more punches in than he will swings. And if you ask nicely, maybe the rdm or whm will give you haste, gosh how i love that spell.

[Macht]

As far as your damage goes in comparison of normal hits and WSs the difference you are getting there is a result of having a high Attack number.

In this game Normal Hits are more governed by your STR, but Criticals and WSs draw a lot more on Attack. You have something around +15 STR as opposed to something around +30 Attack.

Without the +15 STR your H2H will be generally even to the SAM in damage. The 451 delay on the other post is wrong they forgot to take into consideration the Haste you have so you should have a 406 Delay. So about approx. every 3 or 4 cycles you end up doing 50-80 more damage then the SAM.

[AkumuX]

Good point, I did forget about the Haste from the Brown Belt and Fumas.

Which means even more so that you should be happy with your damage compared to that Samurai.

Along with the Distortion (which is actually viable), this is why people have a stigma against Monks. For your reason, Shag. Because people don't think we're doing as much as damage as "the next melee" when in actuality, we're out damaging them. (Unless it's 65+ bones that's kinda tricky because the battles can last 30-40 seconds, which damn sure isn't enough time for "damage over time" to kick in.) But this is beetles...

/comfort
You're doing just fine, man... :sweat:

[xShagratx]

hmm, that puts a new perspective on it. Thanks for all the replies made me feel a little better ^^.

P.S. We were doing something like Tachi: Keagro > Raging Fists

or Flaming Arrow > Raging Fists (with the RNG)

also the WHM always has haste on me so that makes things a little better.I have a parser I just can't get the damn thing to work =(.

But once again thanks for all the replies, it is making me look at it differently...I just wanted some justification for all my mining>fishing>farming etc. for my gear. ^^

[Kaylyn]

partied with a sam a few weeks ago, spiders in Boyhada. I was doing about 25-40 with each fist, sam was doing 65-80 with each slash. We both have decent dmg dealing weapons right now. Don't let crabs or beetles dishearten you. The saddest I ever felt was fighting crabs in Kuftal and doing 0 with a raging fist. This was at lvl 50, when I got to 53 and went back to chain em I was doing my reg 150-400 Raging Fists, depending on the crabs buffs. So no worries, the lower dmg dealt will pass. Just make sure you always have a decent dmg dealing weapon. I myself am using TM Hooks +1, there were no +2's for sale

[Zafron]

Get that dmg parser working. It is impossible to tell who is outdamaging who just from trying to guess by looking at damage numbers while fighting. Ive been in many parties where i thought i was getting completely outclassed only to check the dmg log and see it was totally the other way around.

Just remember sometimes you might have to gimp your own dmg in order to increase overall party dmg in an effort to improve the only stat that counts: xp/hour.