Flaming of Taru MNK and Others = WRONG

[LadyPeorth]

Re: Flaming of Taru MNK and Others = WRONG

In all truthfulness, it is BS to flame another job because of racial differences. I've seen Taru PLDs tank better than Elvaan, Galka WHMs that heal better and have more MP effciency than Taru WHMs, Elvaan BLMs that make Taru BLMs cry in damage, and Taru DRKs that cause Galkas to stagger.

If you get kicked out of the party or chosen because your race isn't right, consider yourself lucky...cause that party probably sucked heavily anyway.

[Crode]

Re: Flaming of Taru MNK and Others = WRONG

Imo, tarus should stay as mages, not plds drks or other dds, again just my opinion. Galka should stay melee. My reasoning is that you can focus more on better equipment instead of getting mp or hp gear. A taru has to buy hp gear, while a Galka Hume or Elvaan can use Vit + items instead or something more worth while. This is just my opinion

[Thark601]

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lol, i got osode, imagine a taru that doesn't, along with my str merits

he'd be something like 22 str under me

[Partyboy]

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Galkas look ugly as hell tho even tho they have good melee stats I just wouldnt want to pick a huge hairy galka >.< thats my opinon tho

[UnnamedGalka]

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Galkas look ugly as hell tho even tho they have good melee stats I just wouldnt want to pick a huge hairy galka >.< thats my opinon tho

We're damn sexy, thank you very much!

[Ghostraven]

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it's not called being cookie cutter

it's called being EFFICIENT

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ef·fi·cient (Ä-fÄsh'É™nt) pronunciation
adj.


1. Acting or producing effectively with a minimum of waste, expense, or unnecessary effort.
2. Exhibiting a high ratio of output to input.

the game is hard enough, why make it even more difficult on yourself.

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I do love taru mnk's though

[Taskmage]

Re: Flaming of Taru MNK and Others = WRONG

I thought this dead horse had been beaten out of existence already. Any race can do any job. It just takes more skill and money to make your race work in a job it's not naturally suited for. There are two times that anyone should care about race: when choosing a starting job and resources to play around your race's weak points are low, and in specific endgame situations where every point counts. Even in those cases it's possible to play whatever you want effectively with some skill and persistence.

[Tsikuro]

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Any race can do any job, but the most efficient race for the job will do the job better.
As a melee, it doesn't come down to player skill, because playing a melee job takes no skill.
So stop saying that.
All you do is engage and WS, with the ocassional JA.
Now, for something like NIN, this can be a valid point, with keeping shadows up, or PLD keeping hate.

[Taskmage]

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lol>< Very well. Skill *or* money then, depending on the job in question.

Oh, but ... in some cases depending on your tank and your food/equip less damage may actually be desirable. I've seen plenty of times when a monk had to turn around or disengage to let the hate cool down. When you're up against that line, race is negligable.

Admittedly, I haven't seen this happen since the Crow set was introduced.

[Tirrock]

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As much as I love counterstance tanking on my MNK... (Seriously, I do. I love counter attacks in general.) I definately should follow suit when I get back and grab the crow beret at the least. I'd grab the crow for legs too, but I'm not so sure I want to give up my metal underwear of +5 attack.

[tdh]

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I picked a job that didn't exactly work with my race as my starting job too, (Elvaan RDM with no subjob in the Dunes.) I did it in Beta as well. But I had tons of MP+ gear, as well as MND & INT gear. I'm Lv.71 now, and I can actually smell that 1:1 ratio now. (1070HP & 825MP) It's cost me a really pretty penny, but I take pride in my skill, so I buy gear to help me.

I've partied with some Taru melee people in the past, when I was in a melee job. Have they out damaged me? Only on a rare occasion, but as an Elvaan melee I try to get a good amount of Atk+ and Acc+. Last time I partied with a Taru WAR, damage was range was about 6-9dmg difference. I did more damage with WS due to Sneak Attack, but they did very well.

I've been a WAR DD since Lv.25, and my tank is a Taru PLD. I wouldn't have it any other way either. My man has enough VIT to keep the damage he takes low, and he has enough MP to back up heal or even main heal. So don't count out any Taru PLDs. Much better than a Hume PLD who has a ton of MP, and doesn't use it. So the mages spend all their MP curing the PLD and pulling hate.

But this doesn't stop people from being "Cookie Cutter." Last night was the first time I've had a Mithran NIN in a VERY long time. I usually see Hume NINs. I don't see many Galka DRKs either, and we all know how many threads we have here saying Galkas make the best DRKs.

It always comes down to skill. It's hard to start with those races due to lack of MP, lack of STR, coupled with low level lack of gil. But it can always be done! If you limit these people from joining your parties you limit yourself. Who would you rather have? Somebody who just glides along, or somebody who's busted their butt to make up for their short comings? I don't know about you, but I want the person with the chip on their shoulder trying to prove themselves. They're going to try and impress me, and odds are they will.

[Lunaryn]

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I thought this dead horse had been beaten out of existence already. Any race can do any job. It just takes more skill and money to make your race work in a job it's not naturally suited for. There are two times that anyone should care about race: when choosing a starting job and resources to play around your race's weak points are low, and in specific endgame situations where every point counts. Even in those cases it's possible to play whatever you want effectively with some skill and persistence.

Yeah, I was under the impression most people have finally come to terms with the fact that race is about the least significant factor in making a build work... Particularly with the number of players who have been around long enough to have taken a few jobs to 75 and contemplated raising just about any job at some point.

As a Tarutaru who took Thief to 18 subless in the dunes, I will admit that from 12-14 I felt like I was leeching xp (might have helped if they'd let me pull, but we had some trigger-happy tanks who would pull even if told not to, so...). But Sneak Attack at 15 turned that around, and by and large I've had no real difficulty with trying to get by as a Tarutaru melee. I even got to 25 without any HQ gear, got from 25-30 on borrowed HQ gear, and have just recently gotten the crafting skill to make the kind of profit necessary to get my own HQ gear. I've had more than a few parties fall apart, but not because of my performance. I've raised WAR to 15 as my first sub, RNG to 17 as my second. Aside from some difficulties with an inattentive party WHM as a WAR10, it's gone pretty well so far.

BTW, Food helps, even just Meat Jerky, which is sold cheaply by Tavern NPCs.

[Weeeekujata]

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For monk, there is *not* any *marginal* noticible big dmg AT ALL between races if your speaking general xp, everyday messing around.

Your Asuran will *not* do much better in any noticible way. why? Tell me how many time you hit over 1300 on a KRT party. there is a softcap on asuran. Either way it broils down to maximizing that attack vs STR. if you look how STR works vs VIT, and see that attack will take a more promenient factor on xp mobs for example, you will see that races with the same GREAT gear wont outpreform each other noticibly.

the BIGGEST difference is obviously hp. but hit per hit, ws per ws.
the only ws that i can see doing a big difference is a Dragon Kick boosted SA, a Full Swing boosted SA.

[Tirrock]

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It's quite realistic to see MNKs hit a point in exp where STR doesn't do much, I totally agree with Weeeekujata. I went all out on STR on my mithra monk and noticed my hits were "wild". 10 to 50 damage, on the same monster... But with berserk on, I'd see a major difference in damage.

I ended up having to learn about the differences between STR and ATK, and re-equipped with more atk. Much love for the TM hooks (and their upgrades). '-')b Respectable base damage on the hooks, low delay for decent hand to hand weapons that level too, and a healthy chunk of +ATK.

Getting back on subject... I think it's at the point where few people care about race any more. I've seen successful <insert job>, even though they were <insert race>. Except for galkan mages... I've never partied with a galka WHM, BLM, or SMN. (Well, I partied with a galka SMN once, but it was in an alliance.) Probably because there's so few galkas in general.

Edit: Added a sentence to the first paragraph.

[Taskmage]

Re: Flaming of Taru MNK and Others = WRONG

I partied with a Galka blm once in the jungles. A JP named Damepo. ^^ He was an excellent mage. Somehow managed to ration his mp well enough to do his nuking and enfeebling job and occasionally cover for the taru whm (me).