fight hnms without chi blast?

[Pandaman]

All the melees seem to have the problem of missing so much that it takes 10 minutes to gain 100% tp. If a monk loaded up on every piece of accuracy equipment could he melee instead of chi blast, or would that give the enemy too much tp? but i think these hnms have auto-meditate anyways and monks have subtle blow. it seems like you wouldn't miss much with all of this accuracy: +2 spartan cesti / +8 shiva's claws, +1 optical needle, +10 optical hat, +10 peacock charm, +2 accurate earring, +2 accurate earring, +5 sniper's ring, +5 sniper's ring, +10 scorpion harness, +4 shura kote, +10 life belt, +7.5? (15dex) byakko's haidate, +4 shura sune-ate, +20 and +10? two bard songs, +10? when focus on. By my estimates you could have like 110+ added accuracy with all this. Just an idea, please post your thoughts.

[Skygto]

You still wont do that much damage. 3 minutes of punching a mob will not add up to the 700+ chi blast that you can get with all the +mnd gear.

[2.0]

Against guys like Cassie and Serket, you don't even need all that. Melee does enough damage.

Against guys like Fafnir and King Behemoth, you'd probably still do more damage with chi blast. With enough subtle blow equipment it'd damn sure be worth a try.

[iglak]

how much damage can be done per hit when meleeing on... let's say King Behemoth?
and how accurate would someone with the average "good" gear (is there such a thing at that level?) be on the same HNM?

[Bajan2]

The issue re: hnm fighting with monk isnt hitting the mob, its giving the target tp. More often than not its far more useful to just boost chi rather than do little damage to the nm, who in return gets the tp to spam his special abilities at you. Thats the concern around it anyways.

I hit genbu fine in my normal exp gear (+20 accuracy maybe) with a blade madrigal on. Byakko and other high evasion HNM's are a hopeless cause though. Just depends on what your fighting really.

As far as subtile blows concerned i've been running some tests. Subtile blow 1 doesnt make a huge difference to tp gain. However, the enhanced subtile blow on relic armor makes a significant difference to the speed at which a mob uses its specials. Still not entirely sure of the exact formula it uses though =\

[Redlimit]

With enough Subtle Blow bonus, having a MNK melee a HNM is a good thing, even if you don't hit super often. Until then you are stuck with Chi Blast (although the damage off of it is nice).

[Pandaman]

Is it a mistake that the dark knight, paladins, and samurai in my LS are melee-hitting the enemy? I think some NMs will use specials even if you never hit them.

[2.0]

If it's working why change it. The only reason monks use chi blast is because they do more damage with it than meless. You can't play scared against HNM's. Whatever you can hit them hard with you hit them hard with it.

[JexIntrepid]

Maybe subtle blow trait will give other damage dealers a better reason to go ahead and sub monk. Too bad it's either from lvl 1-10, and now post - 70.

[kowboy]

Originally posted by iglak
how much damage can be done per hit when meleeing on... let's say King Behemoth?
and how accurate would someone with the average "good" gear (is there such a thing at that level?) be on the same HNM?

You wouldnt want to stand still around the King long enough to find out how much you swing for. I was just trying to take a screen shot.

[Aneyeisuponyou]

Don't know about you but even when I hit Genbu, Aspid, Who's gonna Melee KB with meteor I dunno. ;p But with ACC+ I don't think you will over come chi blast dmg vs HNM. Alot of 1 handed melee's do 0 -10 dmg vs HNM. Maybe lvl staff. ;p I'm sticking to chi myself. 1k to fafnir is better then I can imagine melee doing.

[MeleeFighterFF]

whoa whoa whoa...im seeing "+mnd gear" mentioned...

you're telling me that I should have all my regular equip for a mnk PLUS have obscure +mnd gear for HNM battles, where I shouldn't hit the mob, but just chi blast?

seriously...is this what is being suggested?

[Bajan2]

Yes. All the high level monks i know, including myself have a second set of +mnd gear for boosted chi blasting mode on HNMs.