Charisma - overlooked by Monks?

[Ramen]

In an interview awhile back, S-E mentioned that "There are also weapon skills that are greatly affected by charisma". You can see the actual interview here:
http://ffxi.crgaming.com/interviews/...iew.asp?Id=272

It may be something similar to Thieves and INT, where a stat least expected effects one of their most important skills.

Anyone ever notice why one of the best weapons in the game - Koenigs Knuckles have +CHR on them of all stats? Or maybe the recently introduced Tact. Mag Hooks +1/+2 versions? Why do all monk weapon skills except shoulder tackle have a grey/white icon, which is associated with the Charisma stat? All of these point to CHR doing something.......

You could say that the icon color theory is invalid because several /ja's have the same icon color like Chakra, yet use a completely different stat (VIT). However, this is weaponskills we are talking about, and S-E specifically said weapon skills

What do you all think of this? Has anyone tried it out? :spin:

[Macht]

This I wouldn't doubt actually. Some WS's if you look at their name or compair them to the real life version, many of them are suppose to be like an art or have a level of finess. I wouldn't doubt a WS like Dancing Edge having some relation to CHR.

Ones like Sidewinder or Arching Arrow are also classic known archery styles that are generally an artistic style. The classes I could see possibly having a huge impact with CHR would be H2h (More specific Martial Arts Styles), Katana (Basically the sword style when learning it is often called poetic), as well as Staves and Bows.

Other then those types of weapons I've never really seen or heard much poetic forms of other weapons as heavily as those. I'm not saying the others never been put in any poetic form, they have just not as often as those weapons.

Now to the possibilty of it being coded that again I wouldn't doubt at all. One of the items I made on a MUD was called the "Siren's Voice" a musical instrument (Except they were used for actual damage) and it's damage ability was directly linked to the players CHR. It was a great weapon on it's first release, to bad it was to powerful when people figured out it's relation with CHR.

It ended up being taken of and going through Quality Control about 5 times before I just finaly said screw it and just let it collect dust. Not that making the changes was a pain just that for QC to finish their tests almost always took them 6 - 9 months and the last time was 1 damn year XD.

[JayblahX]

Haven't tried it out and not really interested in sacrificing my STR and ATK stats.

STR and ATK boost every punch, kick, and weaponskill.

CHR presumably boosts only weaponskills, and its unclear by how much, if any. If the difference is proven to be solid through testing, then yea, I may start buying +CHR gear to swap in come weaponskill time.

But until then... nah.

[Rising Tornado]

i am curious to understand (assuming all this is true) what the justification, or rationale, is for charisma having an effect on a weapon skill.


for example, it is not at all a stretch of the imagination to expect a stat like charisma to affect the ability to charm a beast.


similarly, we would naturally expect stats such as dexterity or strength to have a direct effect on the outcome of a weapon skill.

its just logic. it hardly needs an explanation.

so... i'd be curious to understand what logic would be behind the idea of charisma affecting the WS.

can anyone offer some suggestions or ideas about this?

[Taoist]

There are also weapon skills that are greatly affected charisma.

the representative worded this awkwardly...
it either means there are "some" weapon skills that are affected by CHR or all of them.

also, it might not reflect DMG..
there are weapon skills that have a status effect and maybe he/she was refering to those?

[Ross]

I don't think it's worth it to switch out other stats for CHR in any circumstance for MNK.

[Macht]

Originally posted by Rising Tornado
i am curious to understand (assuming all this is true) what the justification, or rationale, is for charisma having an effect on a weapon skill.


for example, it is not at all a stretch of the imagination to expect a stat like charisma to affect the ability to charm a beast.


similarly, we would naturally expect stats such as dexterity or strength to have a direct effect on the outcome of a weapon skill.

its just logic. it hardly needs an explanation.

so... i'd be curious to understand what logic would be behind the idea of charisma affecting the WS.

can anyone offer some suggestions or ideas about this?

The idea is falling back on an old interpritation of Charisma by Christianity belief. The belief is that the action is done in such a beauty or the action has such an inspiring influence that is causes a mistical effect or a holy effect.

In other words the CHR is adding such an inspiring effect to the attack that it enhances it, how can be a variety of different ways.

EDIT:

On a further note to that the Word itself translated actually comes to "Divine Favor". So CHR is like asking for some miracle or divinity to be poured into the attack.

[Rising Tornado]

hmmm, thats a very interesting way of looking at it.
thank you for your thoughts.

[Lone Dragon]

Hmm...it WOULD explain why the Keonigs and Kaiser Knuckles have CHR+...

[Thark601]

you ever watch the stave ws starburst? you don't even smack the mob you wave your staff in front of it...

this would be one of the ws's i could see bing affected by chr, however something such as howling fists, raging fists whatever, i'd need physical proof before even beleiving it

[Morgorth]

I heard Dragon Kick is affected by CHR. Not sure if its true, but my monk friend told me that.

[Cali]

CHR affects the chance of JA activating and hate, as well as the bonus to BRD or BST.. though, I am not sure if CHR helps with WS, I wouldn't risk the hate since I already gain enough with no CHR+, and normal hitting.

[Bajan2]

I've done a series of tests re: the chr issue for monks.

Dragon kick damage 'is' improved by a fairly significant ammount. Aswell, the light renkei damage (if your closing one anyways) gets resisted 'less' with the more chr you have. But of course dont go all out chr, a healthy balance or str attack and a small side of chr is plenty.

with str gear, the average is about..

Dragon Kick 650 - Light 325 (these are averages)

with chr gear (not all out chr, but i think i have +10 or so with panzer mask kaiser knuckles and something else i wear)

Dragon Kick 700-900 - Light damage matches the kick damage 700-900. So if you hit a 850 kick, you get an 850 light.

They put chr on some knuckles for a reason :p

[Taoist]

!
/runs to AH and buys CHR+ items.

[Gryff]

Originally posted by Cali
CHR affects the chance of JA activating and hate, as well as the bonus to BRD or BST.. though, I am not sure if CHR helps with WS, I wouldn't risk the hate since I already gain enough with no CHR+, and normal hitting.

CHR doesnt affect emnity.

Stated in a SE interview somewhere.