What is the point of Cesti?

[iglak]

what is the point of Cesti?
at lvl 40, mnks can get their AF weapon
it has 40 less delay than Impact knuckles, but also 4 less DMG

i haven't tested this on IT mobs really, but on EP-too weak mobs the AF1 deals about 7.5 dmg per second (with my gear, factoring in delay), and the impact knuckles deal about 8 dmg per second (same gear, factoring in delay).
and if you want to know the details of the test, i did not factor in the extra DEX from AF1 for that test, and assumed i hit every time (which i did not). i attacked 2 mobs (both EP on the verge of too weak) and switched weapon halfway through each mob, then i calculated the dps.

so... what is their point? other weapons later on only widen the dmg stat gap for Cesti (T.M. Hooks, DMG:15, most damaging Cesti at that lvl DMG:7 or 6), and the extra half of a second less (a little more) is not really worth it... or doesn't seem to be at least...

[Cali]

For an elvaan, they lack in DEX, so their natural STR will cover the loss from cesti... and the DEX/Accuracy up will help them more... though it's not a smart idea...

Otherwise, you get it for the look? And the relic fists = cesti too, if I remember correctly

As for lv50 gears, I think Crosscounter > Tct Mgc Hooks, but I just can't afford the Crosscounter, so I went for the 2nd option.. lol

[Thark601]

are you bashing all cesti or just the af? yes the af weapon sucks, so what? don't use it nobody else does...
but as for cesti 1 of your best weapons is one... spartan cesti

[iglak]

Originally posted by Thark601
are you bashing all cesti or just the af?

i think you completely misunderstood me, i'm not bashing anything, and i was using the AF as an example (since it should theoretically be fairly good, even if it's not the best).

yes the af weapon sucks, so what? don't use it nobody else does...

exactly, why? why does it suck? why do all Cesti pail in comparison to knuckles (not including spartan or relic )
often, knuckles have +3 accuracy, just like cesti, although often cesti have something like +1 dex in addition to that, but knuckles more than double the cesti's dmg (stat)

so, my question is... what is the point of cesti? do they have a point?

[2.0]

Cesti's make leatherworker's money. As for knuckles doing more damage, well they do have spikes on them for whatever it's worth.

[Thark601]

Originally posted by iglak

so, my question is... what is the point of cesti? do they have a point?

the point of cesti is sparten as mention in my last post... they kickass

[Arkadya]

Re: What is the point of Cesti?

Originally posted by iglak
what is the point of Cesti?
at lvl 40, mnks can get their AF weapon
it has 40 less delay than Impact knuckles, but also 4 less DMG

i haven't tested this on IT mobs really, but on EP-too weak mobs the AF1 deals about 7.5 dmg per second (with my gear, factoring in delay), and the impact knuckles deal about 8 dmg per second (same gear, factoring in delay).
and if you want to know the details of the test, i did not factor in the extra DEX from AF1 for that test, and assumed i hit every time (which i did not). i attacked 2 mobs (both EP on the verge of too weak) and switched weapon halfway through each mob, then i calculated the dps.

so... what is their point? other weapons later on only widen the dmg stat gap for Cesti (T.M. Hooks, DMG:15, most damaging Cesti at that lvl DMG:7 or 6), and the extra half of a second less (a little more) is not really worth it... or doesn't seem to be at least...

The point of almost every cesti in the game is for speedy attacks. I can only assume they are there for people who want to attack faster instead of being useful.

And our af is a joke, Republic knuckles (req level of 15) are better than our AF.

[METDeath]

cesti are good for when we have to 2hr, speeds up the attacks, so instead of say... one second delay between attacks, you have half a second... huge swing rate increase there

[Sevalle]

IMHO, I think Knuckles are just so much better thatn Cestis. When I reached 18, I decided to invest in pair of Kingdom Cesti. When I went to my first PT, I was shocked by the result: Pathetic damage. it was 10-15 on pugs. So I decided to switch to Republic Knuckes. That was the kind of result I was expecting from a weapon with costs close to 20k(same as Kingdom Cesti). Easily 20-30 on pugs witht eh same equip. Many people have been saying that the difference in delay is not much (Eg. 33 for Kingdom and 76 for Republic) so I rather just stick to knuckles. Ultimately, I'm just a level 23 MNK stating my opinion from experience.

[Redlimit]

Until you have a lot of STR (naturally from high level or lots of +STR from equipment), most Cesti are not worth your time.

Once you pass about level 65, you should have enough STR that your H2H damage average is going to be fairly consistent enough that using other H2H's than just the "highest damage available" is actually an option.

For example, if you use Spartan Cesti, once your STR is high enough - you can equip Shiva Claws and they will actually do 9 less damage per hit only (Spartan +20, Shivas +11). Considering you get +8 Accuracy and Additional Effect: Paralysis on Shivas, this is an option you can use to great effect if you have trouble hitting certain enemies (since you are already doing about 50-80 damage per hit, you aren't going to miss 9 damage that much..... 41-71 oh noes!).

Early on though, MNK need as much damage as they can get, so that means sticking with Knuckles / Patas for a long time.

Even so, people only tend to use 2 Cesti's. Spartan, and Narishima/Vishnu. I suspect that the new Meteor Cesti will be used as well.