I was told Monks become desirable at 60+, and yet its not true so far.

[Sakrafyce]

Damn Jay, that's cold for real. Mages can be such jackasses, and people put up with there ish cause they are needed that much. Frustrates me dearly, but I have to ignore it.

I hope I don't run into this problem, I just got a static and they are lvl. 51-52 (PLD, DRK, MNK, RDM, BLM, WHM). Hope we can make decent enough skillchains where they won't boot my ass...

[Macht]

Hmm, ok. Guess I thinking of TA differently, I was thinking that TA transferred the hate you had/gained onto the tank. So more frequently when a DRK would have like maybe 200 - 300 hate the MNK would have 500 - 600, then the damage resulting from the SATA + WS with MNK or DRK would be a little more closely compaired.

Well either way for something like that still don't see it being worthy enough to decide a DRK over MNK. Though I can see how a MNKs attacks will be compairable to a DRK if they are going with weapons that add a huge amount of delay to them, otherwise it seems kind of unlikely that they'd be attacking that slow.

Oh well, not past the 60's yet and so far only seen charts to base that off of. Didn't look like MNK was striking that slow at all.

[Xephoid]

it really isn't a big deal

Trick attack transfer the hate from the resulting attack (normal or Weapon skill + skill chain) onto the person who's in front of you. Not how much hate you have on yourself at the time. So that's why the more powerful the single attack, the better. That's why THF works well as a hate controller. Their normal attack is extremely weak, so they have almost no hate themselves. But their sneak attack is very powerful (does something like 10 x the normal damage), couple with trick attack is what allows them to transfer such a huge chunck of hate onto the tank.

Anyway. I agree there isn't really enough of a difference for the his party to get so anal about it. Especially seeing that they can pulling in C5 consistantly. Average party pulls in about 3K exp per hour. Anything over 3.5K is good. 4K everyone should be happy. Above that... clear your calendar, i'm staying as long as I can without water, food and sleep.

P.S Monk/THF without double attack + delay on the weapon is about 400-450. not much faster than zweighthander+1 greatsword. MNK/WAR's double attack is what allows them to attack 3-5 times a roll. MNK has the most to gain from the /WAR sub, but reverse is also true, the most to lose not subbing /war.

[2.0]

Static parties are only effective when its with people you know and trust and can have fun with. Any other way and it cannot work because it is like work(which a game should never be). You seem to be doing alright actually Jayblah X. You said you could have been level 63 so they were holding you back actually not the other way around.

Just keep doing what you're doing by making you're own parties and keep in touch with the people you like and keep partying with them and staying away from people you don't like so much.
Make a linkshell with those people you trust. It's like field of dreams man. It sounds cheesy but if you build it they will come.

[Lone Dragon]

On a larger server like Rag, I can see how not having an SP will be less of an issue,
but you may be faced with having very little to work with wen making a PT.

It boils down to this...
You know you're good, you know the BRD's just being a blind dick,
and you should know that with the damage your RNG and BLM should be doing,
SC damage is somewhat of a non-issue.

Let them know you think what they put you through is complete and utter bullshit.
If they let you stay, fine.
If they kick you, fuck them.

Note: Raptors are the easiest to hit chain 6 with (so don't think it's THAT godly)
and are weak against water, so if they bitch about reverb, they're just ignorant.

[Synbios]

Return the RNG to me.. ; ; (Yes I offered the RNG a set.)

MNKs are very much loved after 60s, I had a PT of MNK THF RNG NIN BLM RDM the other day, the MNK had.. orz equipment compared to the RNG, but was constantly getting hate from the NIN, making me waste lots of MP healing him, until I had to told him not to use Berserk <.< >.>, it's not like the RNG was gimped but MNKs just simply own stuff that has weak defence. Every Sidewinder made the mob turn, but every Howling/Raging did the same too.

Don't let this let you down, dumping a Galka MNK post 60 because "the renkei is gimp until 65" is stupid, but considering they'll never get to bones with a RNG in set, you could be better off elsewhere where you're needed, and that's definitely not in Boyahda whacking crabs (just an example, since they can't go Gustav during 65~67), which a DRK will do better, in a sense.

[AkumuX]

I'd imagine it's pretty safe to say you can just let them go. Hang in there till 65 or 66, whenever ya fight Doom's in Gustav...

Once 65 comes around...and you want serious xp (and who doesn't) ppl look to see if any monks are on. If so, they can make a Gustav party. If not, they're stuck out elsewhere.

I would almost say you should hope they dump you, or your quit them, just so you can get into some bone parties lately and really kick some ass. (Which they wouldn't do with a bow RNG in the pt)

[qlynt]

I don't see how you're undesireable to them....If anything, if they replaced you with a dark knight they would be way worse off.

I think darks are just terrible to party with, but thats just my opinion. @ level 65-66 + you're gonna be begging that you had a paladin/monk/monk setup I can gurantee it. If they dump you so what, you can party with a thief and do howling>dancing until 65 when rangers and thieves cant go to the promised land with you anymore.

By those levels they'll be begging you to come back and help them kill bones. And trust me on partying with a dark knight, the exp doesnt compare to 2 monks. I had a drk in my perm and he was up to date with all his eq and we couldnt do a skillchain on every bone and his regular great sword damage was equal to like 1 monk fist. We had to alternate the skillchain to accomodate his slow TP building so it was pug bone pug bone. Exp was still good but it wasnt 2 monk's good.

Also don't feel so bad about being compared to the ranger, as far as I'm concerned rangers and monks do about the same damage regularly unless you're killing bones. The only thing that throws the damage in their favor is broken ass "free 50 tp" barrage.

Just think of it this way monks aren't undesirable it's the morons that don't know any better that make you think it's undesirable. I've played with a perm party and with many JP ppl up to level 75 and I can tell you i've played with no rangers, and I was normally getting 4k-5k+ exp/hour. The rangers got stuck grinding at boyahda while I was tearing through bones.

[Addicted2trance]

Best bet is to leave the group and level to 65 on your own. Once you hit 65 you'll blow right pass them leveling on bones until 75. If you can get parties that is.

[Shiia]

I agree with Addicted2trance.

Leave that static, who is has a Mr.Bard that thinks he is god. Dumping from the party because the skill chain sux, heh well so be it. I never was in static. I did what you did for 65 levels. Party? Well uh at 65 its not much of a change than when I leveled 60, or 50 or or... orz. At 66 maybe I get invited (bout 2400 tnl) in Gustav bones, who knows... But I will keep myself out of static. Its just too much for me. I would rather be on my own leveling in my own pace. I am not racing to lvl and I don't wish to leave my whm friend like I did with rdm.

[DrSerpico]

Dix in static.

Well... I just laughed after the first post. Dump a hardcore, very dedicated player for a DRK (which is a popular job, and therefore prone to more varying quality amongst their ranks, even this high up.)

That BRD thinks funny. And dumping the person because SC sux? We're doing nin, mnk, mnk on bones... Try that one on for size...
It's gogo impaction until 1 more level, then we're doing lvl1 (!) light vs bones XD.

(Gogo blade: ei > Howling fist)


The way I see it, these guys whine as soon as you get some hard times, and you are WAY better off without them. And if the campspot sux, it's NOT some random melees fault. It's the leader, and/or blm, for not smashing escape fast enough.

That aside, every set does something incredibly stupid along the way, and faces a wipeout. It's how they handle it that matters. Our guys go: Aaaaahahahhaa, you all f*cking suck! Then we whine for 2 mins, then we laugh, eat the raises and go again ^^.

Standing around whining instead of fixing the shit that's wrong is time wasted.

My advice: Screw 'em. If they're to incompetent to realize such key ingredients as "lastability" and "endgame usefulness", they can sit with drk+rng combo and ignorantly laugh at everyone going to gustav and raking in millions of exp. Their headache, not yours. Best of luck, mate!

Gambatte!

[Xephoid]

I think that party knows

That they can't do a bone party with a ranger. And since they can't change the ranger, they are trying to make it work better for arcana type mobs they'll be exping against in ro'maeve and ru'ann garden. Hence the call for a DRK. That would make some sense.

But yeah, bone parties are the best exp. I love king ramp's tomb, go there with a semi-static all LS party. Raking in 4K+ an hour there as a MNK+DRK team rocks. With PLD tank, it's Red lotus blade > raging fist > spinnging slash + MB, the bone goes from 100% HP to 0 in 10 seconds LOL. With NIN tank, it's asuran's fist > blade jin > spinning slash. But just a correction, it's not the DRK's TP that's hold the skill chain up, but the tanks. Unless you have a bard in the party, the tank can't get TP worth a damn.

If any bard had any choice, they would want to make a party to go level against bones later. But I guess they don't have a choice with the ranger being the "must stay" member of the party. Well, just tell them that they don't know what they'll be missing. [skeleton] [yes, please].

[JayblahX]

The way I see it, these guys whine as soon as you get some hard times, and you are WAY better off without them.

This pretty much sums it all up. The static was just mostly full of arses. Looking back, the only decent person was the WAR/NIN in terms of morals, and then even he wasn't; as he was ready to dump me to kiss the ass of some BRD who ended up betraying him. As of this time, the static collapsed on itself. I have to admit I'm somewhat glad it did, because it puts everyone through what I was having to endure.

The BRD (go figure, bratty ass two faced spoiled kid that he was) pretty much went crazy, and essentially removed himself from the static. The BRD was so two-faced that he tore the static from within. This is the same BRD that never used his MP to support the party, was slow on songs, and picked the catastrophic camp spot the got us all killed in the first place. He had the nerve to call the static "skillless" as his citation for leaving. It is so tempting to reveal his name to fellow Ragnarokians. The BRD of course, also kissed the ass of our RNG with extreme prowess; after all this is a bigtime HNM LS member we are dealing with.

The RNG, who I lost much respect for (though I doubt he cares as I'm just an insignificant MNK) simply wanted to get to level 75 really fast to resume HNM hunting with his LS. In a way its understandable, but I still don't have to like it. This is his second character, as his previous one is considered not useful on HNM hunts. So he wants to level up fast and to this extent, essentially eloped with the BRD (its a case of using a valuable tool, even at the cost of respect; pure selfish gain). The BRD is merely a tool being put to use. I doubt the RNG has any idea how pathetically two-faced the BRD is, or even likes the BRD at all, despite the BRD kissing the RNG's ass endlessly. Synbios, maybe you wouldn't want the RNG after reading this, I don't know. If things weren't flawless you'd probably be left behind too. Maybe things would have turned out different for you, I don't know.

As for me, I endured through this with, sad to admit, some grim satisfaction, but also grave disappointment. I'll continue leveling my THF subjob so I can have an even more attractive search comment, and then I'll take Monk to 75 without looking back if need be. If I manage to find a static of decent, earnest people who are looking to level together but not at the cost of comraderie, great. If not, oh well. All the wiser I guess.

I really wish I could've joined the eurotrash squad with Doc but we were just incompatible time-wise. Decent people who stick together and tough it out as friends, who woulda thunk it? Oh well, I'm satisfied in knowing you guys have to endure the torture that is the Female Elvaan MNK stance! :sweat:

[Thark601]

this my friends is ragnarok,
somewhere a child cries if a day passes on this server without drama

[JayblahX]

Seriously Futrid.

I had heard that there was alot of hatred on Ragnarok, how the bigtime LSes despise each other, how there's no comraderie or anything of that nature because of animosity between JP and NAs on this server at the top-tier.

Its things like this that make me wish I could transfer over to Midgardsormr, where the NAs there are actually seemingly doing real well.

I called this drama "As the Static Turns..." and placed it in my search comment for a while because I had no other in-game avenue to express my disappointment.

My comment read:

Tommorrow on "As the Static Turns," who will it be? Will the MNK stay, or perhaps a DRK, or maybe even a badass melee-WHM! Stay tuned!

P.S. Futrid: Level up some mofo, while I level up THF. If we both achieve 65ish within a similar time-frame of one another, I see bone parties in our future.