hand-to-hand equipment question

[Sohjai]

I just want to be more clear on how to choose the best equipment, there are too many choices through out all the lvls.

Well first off, what is the base delay and base damage of h2h?

So what is everyone's input on how to choose their weapon? I'm currently using Mythril Knuckles +1 what should I get next? Well cross-counter is 2million which i won't be farming for

[Cobalt Katze]

The weapons I have mapped out for MNK at 30+ go like this:

Claws (30)
Impact Knuckles (32)
Mythril Claws (41)
Patas (48)
Tactician Magician's Hooks (50)
Tigerfangs (66)

Just my opinion, based on surfing the AH, take it how you will :3

[Thark601]

i beleive base mnk delay using h2h weapons is 480 + delay of weapon

[Lone Dragon]

Base Monk delay at lvl 1 is 400,
this is because of the Martial Arts Job Trait.
Base Delay drops 20 points every 15 lvls, that's EXACTLY, 15 (so MA2 comes at lv16, not 15.)
I know because my TP output stopped always being 6 per hit at lvl46, which is MA4.


Lv20-32 is a bit of a blur, but if you have impacts, ONLY switch to Mythril Knuckles +1 (if you can afford it, I know I can't) and from there, go straight to Tacticians (unless you have the unbelievable bank or ungodly luck to get the Cross Counters...I know I don't. ;-; )

[bside]

to answer the original question, those Dmg+ and Delay+ add those values to thoes of bare hand values.

for delay, to make what Lone Dragon said clear, goes as follows;

MA0 Delay 480 (no Martial Arts)
MA1 Delay 400 (lvl 1)
MA2 Delay 380 (lvl 16)
MA3 Delay 360 (lvl 32)
MA4 Delay 340 (lvl 46)
MA5 Delay 320 (lvl 61)


for dmg, use this equation;

Dmg of bare hand = (H2H skill) / 9.1 * 0.9 + 3
(any numbers under decimal points to be rounded off)


as far as how to choose is concerned, both Dmg and Delay values r important to consider. of course, the most ideal weapon would be the one w/ high Dmg and low Delay, but it's usually ok to go w/ whatever gives the most Dmg value. on the other hand, when u fight mobs w/ high evasion, u might wanna consider having one w/ lower delay, thereby increasing the number of hits.

to give u some idea, here's a list of weapons i've used up to current lvl;

lvl 1 - Cat Baghnakhs
lvl 9 - Brass Knuckles
lvl 10 - Lgn. Knuckles
lvl 12 - Burning Cesti
lvl 14 - Strike Baghnakhs
lvl 20 - Cougar Baghnakhs
lvl 24 - Lynx Baghnakhs
lvl 32 - Impact Knuckles
lvl 41 - Mythril Claws (+1 didn't go on AH for sale until i got mid 50's...)
lvl 48 - Patas (u may skip this)
lvl 50 - Tct. Mag. Hooks
lvl 56 - Bone Patas +1 (if +1 isn't available in ur server, no need to get it)
lvl 58 - Spartan Cesti
lvl 59 - Cermet Claws +1 (i used this only when i fight mobs w/ high evasion)
lvl 65 - Shiva's Claws (replaces Cermet Claws)
lvl 66 - Feral Fangs (HQ of Tigerfangs; it's ok to continue using Spartan Cesti, but i didn't due to the long delay)

and projected for the future;

lvl 67 - Narasimha's Cesti (to replace Shiva's Claws)
lvl 69 - Avengers (if i can fight the bomb NM... though unlikely - Rare/EX)
lvl 73 - Indra Katars (again, this is an NM drop... - Rare/EX)
lvl 75 - Keonigs Knuckles (i don't think i can afford the HQ one...)


hope this helps.

[Taoist]

aye... i need mythril knuckles+1 for bcnm40 dont want to jump to claws yet

[DJplaeskool]

Originally posted by bside

lvl 69 - Avengers (if i can fight the bomb NM... though unlikely - Rare/EX)

I've wanted these for a long time...
but the Bomb Queen is...for loss of a better term...impossible...
@75% HP = Explosion...
Everybody dies...
Nobody survives...

I still use Feral Fangs beacuse I'm po'

[TMPikachu]

if you are fortunate enough, and an elvaan, tropical punches can get you through 10-30

exept for shelled animals, they're resistant to punches

[bside]

Originally posted by DJplaeskool


I've wanted these for a long time...
but the Bomb Queen is...for loss of a better term...impossible...
@75% HP = Explosion...
Everybody dies...
Nobody survives...

I still use Feral Fangs beacuse I'm po'

i saw one 75 mnk wearing it other day... it was obvious by the look of it. needless to say, it was so cool.

maybe i should take a look at NM thread at shitaraba, and see what they say...

[Lone Dragon]

I've seen the Kaiser Knuckles in a JP (I think) weapon list.

Lv: 75, D:+20, Delay +86, Chr + 3, acc + 3
At lvl 75 you base D is 30...

Are there any D:100+ Scythes yet?
I think we might have beat them out. :x

[bside]

Originally posted by Lone Dragon
I've seen the Kaiser Knuckles in a JP (I think) weapon list.

Lv: 75, D:+20, Delay +86, Chr + 3, acc + 3
At lvl 75 you base D is 30...

Are there any D:100+ weapons yet?
I think we might have beat them out. :x

that's a HQ version of Keonigs Knuckles i mentioned above.

btw, if u meant anything that's D+21 or more by "D:100+ weapons," no, there's none of such just yet.

[Lone Dragon]

I know it's the HQ of Keonigs, that's why I posted it.

I edited my message shortly after I originally posted to ask if there are any 100+ damage Scythes.

[bside]

Originally posted by Lone Dragon
Are there any D:100+ Scythes yet?

not yet, according to the reverse-analysis.

[sourjirou]

hey does anyone kno how i can get a pair of spartan cesti's they cost 1.5 mil on midgard, and i really dont feel like saving up for such a long tim

[bside]

Originally posted by sourjirou
hey does anyone kno how i can get a pair of spartan cesti's they cost 1.5 mil on midgard, and i really dont feel like saving up for such a long tim

it's a reward of 60 BCNM fight at Yughott Grotto, against Orcs.