Subbing pre lvl 60

[KamaAina]

I have war and theif both up to 30 and I know that I Should be using those but.....why?

I am thinking that 20+ I might choose either DRG or SAM...and why shouldn't I? Here is what I am thinking the SAM's TP bonus although small at lvl 10 would make a huge difference for a monk (Right now I can almost get 2 combos in per fight with my impact baghnaks and cheifkabobs). So with SAM I could probobly get in two easily.


Or I could go DRG for 2 reasons one their attack bonus at lvl 10 (How big is it?) I mean wouldn't this be just as good as berserk I know its probobly not as powerful but I dont have to wait for it to recharge and it is always on. Plus Jump + Monk looks super cool.

And I hate subbing WAR and being expected to tank....and no I dont care too much about gettin into parties as I make friends quick on the account of I am a cook with a heart of gold.

And as for THF I guess the xtra dex and Sneak + Combo would be nice but when using Hundred Fists it would be kinda mute (however Sam with Hundred Fists =)

So why shouldn't I. And no I don't want to hear play what you like and have fun. Cause i still want to be useful but as a Damage Dealer. ( I have whm and Tank friends galore so I just want to lots of damage).


Any tips?

[Rico]

If you want to deal damage Monk/War is still the way to go. I don't see my self using SAM sub because I think you'll get alot more hate and end up dying :sweat: just my opinion. I mean Berserk, Double attack, attack up, and warcry when ur mnk is 75 is real is real good to get. With SAM all you get is Meditate and Third eye.

[laicram]

I think Mnk/War is best (like Rico said), but picking /Drg, /Sam, /Thf, /Drk won't impede you from being a Damage Dealer.

[Thark601]

althought it may impeed you from pt invites

and on another note you are still expected as a 2ndary tank and how do you acheive this without provoke?


oh btw... there is a delay in the steady stream of attacks every time you use a weapon skill with hundred fists thus hindering or almost crippling it if your using a ws 5 times throu-out it...

after all 100 fists is not a number of attacks but i steady stream untill the time runs out

[KamaAina]

Partying isn't hard for me I have gotten to 20 in three days I expect to be 41 by the end of next week.


Is /war a good sub because of balance defense/offense cause if so I want to choose something else so I can be completley offensive.

I can barely keep up with DRKs DRGs and SAMs as it is I want a sub that can help even the score. I party with a group that has a Paladin and a War all the time.


Basically i want some input from someone post 60 that has made it through the hard lvls and can tell me why they stuck with War and why all monks on my server post 60 have War subbed.

[Rico]

Originally posted by KamaAina
Partying isn't hard for me I have gotten to 20 in three days I expect to be 41 by the end of next week.


Is /war a good sub because of balance defense/offense cause if so I want to choose something else so I can be completley offensive.

I can barely keep up with DRKs DRGs and SAMs as it is I want a sub that can help even the score. I party with a group that has a Paladin and a War all the time.


Basically i want some input from someone post 60 that has made it through the hard lvls and can tell me why they stuck with War and why all monks on my server post 60 have War subbed.

How can you get 41 in two weeks? You are really a super hardcore player you have firendly rdm's or whm's :sweat:

/war is an offensive job already berserk, warcry, attack up are all useful like I said... I dont see /sam helping monk as much just as /war you'll problay end up getting tons of hate. As for damage... DRK can hit pure dmg like 100 a hit looks like alot... but monks attack more faster even faster with hate or any of the belts they have for monks. Monks can be hitting 20-30 a hit looks like nothing and sum it all up after a fight you'll see how much damage you've done. The only person I know that is lvl 60+ is a Super Mod DJPlaeskool I think he'll post... Omg im not lvl 60 why did I post

[Thark601]

yeah totally throw out my posts.. i'm not 60 yet

me saying that sam does nowhere near war pre-60 for your offensive means nothing as i know nothing about monks since i'm not 60

[Redlimit]

In all honesty, SAM sub dosen't do a lot for MNK after 60 either.
What are you going to do with all of the TP you have? Gain lots of hate and die? Or gain lots of hate and the WHM dies becuase they had to mega-cure you and they got hate?

Stick with WAR or THF subs. Usually WAR, but there will be the odd time where THF is useful.

[KamaAina]

Yeh i make alot of mage friends since I am a high lvl cook too and have lvled 3 jobs to 40+ so I met alot of people plus I am a Hume Female so I have that going for me


I think I know what I am going to sub now but I still have some questions.

I am thinking War to 30 (in other words tonight) and then THF to 50 because of SA and then back to WAR cause of double attack.

What do u think does the extra Strenght and berserk make War a better choice.

And im not saying that only post 60 knows about what it is like to be a monk

But when I am asking about advice post 40 or post 60 and you are 30 something then well you dont really know do you?

[TMPikachu]

Originally posted by Redlimit
In all honesty, SAM sub dosen't do a lot for MNK after 60 either.
What are you going to do with all of the TP you have? Gain lots of hate and die? Or gain lots of hate and the WHM dies becuase they had to mega-cure you and they got hate?

Stick with WAR or THF subs. Usually WAR, but there will be the odd time where THF is useful.

dude, look at it this way, noone is making you use your WS willy nilly. Samurai's have lower normal attack power than /war, they don't have double attack or attack boosts
if anything, they will be doing less damage
BUT their WS's cause them to do more. Just don't use your ws's every time it hits 100


but mnk/war is still very strong, I think it's really up to personal preference, whether you like ws moves or a flurry of regular attacks

lvl51 mnk/war has double attack AND kick
you can potentially do punch, punch, punch, kick
AND if you did 100 fists...

[Thark601]

Originally posted by KamaAina


But when I am asking about advice post 40 or post 60 and you are 30 something then well you dont really know do you?

yes i do know from in game opinions, offline research, and forums like this and by the way your talking i obviously know more on the subject than you

has anyone that knows what there talking about disagreed with me?

[Chanchai]

you should check out the sam sub topic.. although blurry you can proably get some useful info from it! check my post there if you wanna know what i think, i'm too lazy to write it again

[KamaAina]

Actually Thark I would rather listen to someone who has actual expierience. And the fact that you know more than I do does not really impress me since I started this job 3 days ago.

I do not however like your attitude about MNKs being used as tanks why would I ever want to be a crappy tank (Way worse than WAR or PLD) when I could be doing what monks are built to do and that is deal damage. I know it is hard from 30-41 to find a group and that is maybe what u meant but it isn't hard for me so I dont really care.

And I also dont like your attitude in general I never accused you of not knowing anything just that you dont know as much as someone who has actually played through monk to 60. Anyone can sit there and tell me what they have heard or read or whatnot hell I could too. But if I wanted that crap I would post at Allakazam where none of the monks made it past 40.

I appreciate the rest of your help in helping me figure out what to do with my monk if it wasn't for this site I would probobly be another Republican Knuckle wearing lvl 35 monk that hits for 0 damage every time and are the reasons why people shun monks so much.

So back to my question would I do more damage as a MNK/THF from 30-50 or MNK/WAR which would do more damage berserk every 5 min with its 25 % (or is it 15% i can't remember) attack up or SA every 1 min used w/ a weapon skill for 100+ damage.


I am thinking THF right now. and then switching to War at 50 for Double attack and maybe staying with it till 75 but at least trying Sam.

My war is lvl 42 my Sam is lvl 15 (I would need to lvl it) and my THF is at 15 too.

[Chanchai]

i assume you didnt check out that other topic so im just gonna quote myself:
"*Thf sub works good at LV30-49 imo, when you get doubleattack from war sub, thf sub wont feel that great..
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Let me lay down my thoughts
MNK/THF - Greateast at LV30-49 (maybe 60-75 with trickattack, i wouldnt know)
MNK/WAR - Good at LV30-49, great at LV 50+
MNK/SAM - Greatest at LV60-75
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Those are the 3 combos i think works good, most other combos will be gimping yourself, imo of course.

*Before LV30 it really doesnt matter what you sub that much cause most jobs get their useful abilities 15+ (sneak attack, berserk and so on

one thing i dont get... you say you have a pld and war with you always yet you say you dont like to be expected to tank? how can you possibly be expected to tank with a pld or war in the group? :confused:

--Monk53,War29,Thf25,Sam17--

[KamaAina]

I read your post on the other thread lol I have read like all the posts here.

But did you use THeif as a sub from 30-49? I mean is it better than war.

And I am not expected to tank that was in responce to Tharks post about how MNKs can be backup tanks. I agree with you I would NEVER tank so that is why I want most damage possible and gear my self for all out offensive power.

And I will be 30 tonight so pre 30 doesn't really worry me.


I just dont know which is more usefull berserk or Trick attack how much damage did u do with Trick? Was it worth having lower Strength?