Monk as Sub Have Guard Y/N?

[bside]

thf/mnk can use guard, when using h2h weapons, BECAUSE mnk has a guard ability.

for the skills, when ur main doesn't have that skill but ur sub does, u can still use that skill, but limited by the cap at the sub's lvl. also, if this is the case, u won't gain any skills for it. ur main has to have a skill to gain skill ups.

let's make some examples to make this clear;

mnk/anything - of course mnk has a guard skill, so can use guard when using h2h.

anything/mnk - because mnk has a guard skill, as long as u use h2h, u can use guard. however, the skill is maxed at the mnk's sub lvl. meaning, if thf60/mnk30, the guard skill is maxed at that of mnk 30, even if ur mnk's lvl may be higher and so is ur guard skill. also, like i said above, u won't gain any guard skills because ur main doesn't have a skill in guard.

anything that can use h2h/anything other than mnk - u can NOT use guard, because neither ur main nor sub has a guard skill, even when u use h2h. thf/war would be an example. u can check this by looking at the skill window; it should not have any guard skills.


another example for not gaining any skills if only ur sub has a skill for it would be war/whm. using cure does NOT build any magic skills.

hope this clears things up. oh, btw, mnk can't equip any shields, so the above combination of 1h staff/shield for shield/evasion doesn't apply. :spin:

[moraala]

oops

Sorry I knew that :p
I dont know what when through my head about putting shield with with monk

[bside]

oh, one more thing. mnk can build up parry skills not because they can use other weapons like staffs, but because mnk has a parry skill.

jobs like whm, blm and rng don't have any parry skills, so using any weapons won't build any parry skills. but like i said above, if the sub has a parry skill, u'll parry, but won't build any skills in it.

[bside]

that's fine, no harm done.

however, even if one job may be able to equip a shield, that doesn't always mean it has a shield skill to evade with a shield. i.e. blm can equip some shields, but because blm doesn't have any shield skills, unless the sub job has a skill in it, it won't evade w/ a shield.

[Blondybadass]

Thanks for all the info bside

What your saying makes sence:

"for the skills, when ur main doesn't have that skill but ur sub does, u can still use that skill, but limited by the cap at the sub's lvl. also, if this is the case, u won't gain any skills for it. ur main has to have a skill to gain skill ups.
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1) So let me go threw some more examples just to make sure I understand

BLM/WAR Can use Axe at the lvl of Warrior sub?
MNK/WAR Can use Shield at the lvl of Warrior sub?
BST/RNG Can use Archery at the lvl of Ranger sub?

2) What about skills that Primary Job has + Sub Job also has, Does the skill cap: PJ skill cap + SJ skill cap OR is it just PJ skill cap?

Would PLD/WAR have higher than C+ in Great Axe becuase of the warrior sub?
Would RDM/NIN have better Throwing because of ninja sub?

3) Can you use shield with h2h? like a WAR/MNK or MNK/WAR?

4) MNK can NOT parry while using h2h right?

5) How do you like PLD/WAR compared to PLD/MNK? if MNK had Provoke would you use PLD/MNK?

6) what do you meen by " unless the sub job has a skill in it, it won't evade w/ a shield"? you when block with a shield?

[bside]

1) as u can only equip a weapon/armor that has a wearable designation for ur main, those combinations won't be possible, simply because there's no such axe that pld can equip, or a shield that mknk can use. (i don't know if there's a bow that bst can equip, but if there is one indeed, yes, what u said does apply.) for instance, if there's a great axe that can only be equipped by war, even though when ur pld/war, u can't equip that axe, although u DO have a great axe skill because ur sub, war, has a skill in it. in other words, if there were such an axe that pld can equip (though currently there's none of such), u will have an axe skill that's limited by the war's skill cap at the sub's lvl.

the better example would be this; blm/whm using a shield. although there r some shields that blm can equip, blm doesn't have any shield skill. therefore, even though u can equip it, if ur sub doesn't have any shild skills, then u can't use a shield to block mobs' attacks. however, in the above combination of blm/whm, because whm does have a shield skill, u will block mobs' attack based on the skill of whm, at the sub's lvl skill cap.

keep in mind that for combat skills of weapons (not the defensive skills), even when ur main nor sub has any skills in that particular types of weapons, u can still use them, if u can equip them. for instance, pld/whm doesn't have any bow skills because neither main nor sub has any bow skills, but there r bows that pld can equip, so u can actually use bows to attack monsters. however, because u have no skills at all in that case, u r likely to miss pretty much all the shots. again, this does not apply to defensive skills such as evasion, shield, guard, etc.

2) skill cap will be that of ur main, unaffected by the sub. for instance, mnk's h2h skill is A+, and war's h2h is D, but even if u have war/mnk, ur skill cap still is set to D.

3) h2h weapon is counted as 2h weapon. in order to use a shield, u need to have a 1h weapon. (or no weapon at all) so, the answer is no.

4) correct, parry is something u do w/ weapons other than h2h. guard is actually deemed to be a substitute for parry skill, i'd imagine.

5) for pld, having more def is more important, and war's defender ability comes very handy when playing pld, so i'd stick to pld/war. also, double attack is something we can't miss. pld has a very low dex status, so misses a lot. however, in order to build up some hate out of normal attacks, it becomes very useful, since it in reality increases the chance of hit, less misses. the advantage of having mnk as a sub would be boost (which does build some hate) and evade ability, but as compared to war's advantage, it's not as tempting.

6) sorry if i made this more confusing. yeah, i simply meant "block using a shield." :spin: the blm/whm example above should have more detail on that one.

[Blondybadass]

Was away for Thanksgiving; Hope everyone had a happy Thanksgiving

Back to the topic...

Interesting, I never heard of Jobs being able to equip mele_weapons/ranged_weapons/shields that the Job has no skill in!!!

The examples that you gave were:
PLD being able to use bows at the skill lvl of the sub.
BLM being able to use shields at the skill lvl of the sub.

So I tried to find out what other items Jobs can equip but have no skill in. These are the sites I found, but I was wondering if there was any other website that had better info on Each jobs list of equipment?

http://ffo.warcry.com/index.php/content/weapon/search
http://ffxi.stratics.com/content/db/items/browse.php
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/itemlist.html?mode=jobs

On Warcry I found PLD can equip bows but I could not find any Shields that the BLM could equip.

Allakhazam same thing. PLD could equip some bows but I see no shields for BLM.

And Stratics is too freakin' slow so I don't know about Stratics.


Well bside, I think you fully answered every question I have about how Job/SJ effects weapon_skills,Shield,Evade,Parry and Guard. Now I am off to find out how Int/Mnd and your lvl of magic skill effect each spell

[bside]

it's simply that their database isn't complete.

i play on a japanese release, so names could be different, but here's a list of the shields blm can equip;

Faerie Shield, Lv 29, Def 0, Resistance to all elements+3
Nymph Shield, Lv 39, Def 2, Resistance to all elements+3
Astral Shield, Lv 58, Def 0, Resistance to all elements+2, Converts 30HP to MP
Ptr. Prt. Shield, Lv 60, Def 5, Converts 30MP to HP

this is everything i could think of right now, and probablly is complete at this point.

just as a side note, back in the time before the Rise of Ziraat, Faerie shield was the only shield available blm could equip. and despite the fact this shield isn't so great, many paid top money, around 300K gils to be specific, basically for cosmetic purpose. and this one is a rare drop from NM, so that's also the reason for the high price.

after the Astral Shield was added, which is a prize of BCNM battle, the price eventually dropped, but now the Astral Shield's price is high like a million gils. (price differs from server to server, so could be different in ur server, though.) and because of its "Converts 30HP to MP," not only blm but also whm is onto this shield, thus making the price higher.