The DRG Solo Guide (Disbanded) ; Response

[Sevv]

Re: The DRG Solo Guide (Disbanded) ; Response

Sevv: Guess what? I didn't solo every job to 75, and guess what? Any job I have at more than 10 I can play well in a party. I'll quote for you:

If you wanna nit pick your done for in a debate here ask anyone around here, I can nit pick to no end it actually pissed alot of people around here off. So since you think your all high and mighty can you solo everyjob more then 10 and can you solo them to 75? Since your making her other jobs such a big deal. And her guide is about dragoon so her rdm/pld/and sub war doesn't mean shit to her guide.

You want to praise that as a role model? Be my guest. I'm not so stuck in 2004 that I don't know when it's time to adapt.

You want to look at her drg guide of every camp attacks to watch and shit loads of info for every camp in the game to solo as a drg shit? Then your an idiot. Soloing jobs is adapting, and hi I am usually one of the first to fight any hnm they add in the game, then fight again adapting to any strategy that we use in current place.

I highlighted the key part. Sevv, you're wrong. Stop stealing my oxygen please. Highest level hound would be 66, so EM at best was the maximum for one level. Why do I need to fight against you when the person you're sticking up for so blindly validates what I say?

Hi gaiz the netz has oxygen! YYou actually think someone at 75 would only camp in that zone? You are also proving you dont know shit about drg or drg soloing, so your imput into this thread is nothing more then trolling, So kindly gtfo of our forum.

I wrote guides on how to, back in 2004/2005 - and bless... really... your defending is so sweet but you're still stealing oxygen. And wrong. They've said themselves was no exp chains. So you're whole tirade of abuse makes me giggle knowing how angry you've got, while still being.. guess... WRONG!

Lets see some proof of these guides? And again you can leave the forums cuz your nothing more then an alla reject troll. I can fight dcs and ems with no trouble and no chains and toughs too. Lol @ me being mad tho, Mad would consist of me using advanced permissions to mess with you lol, just to be honest. And 1) you dont know about the guide 2) don't know the person 3) dont know drg 4) dont know shit.

Have a great day sunshine, I hope it leaves you as smiley as your posts have left me... laughing at you and thanking you for brightening my day. ^^

This is good fun since im watching khim die so slow to demo =P

[Skoal]

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Well I did call him an idiot in my first post because of the loldrg stuff. If he wants to tell mg GTFO or call me names, I pretty much brought that on myself.

I started soloing drg for seals to help out with getting better gear. It then turned into an awesome way for me to level w/o spending hours looking for a party or being in a crappy party. The beauty of soloing is that you can do what you want, unless you are an ass and kill people's exp mobs or something like that.

[Malacite]

Re: The DRG Solo Guide (Disbanded) ; Response

BLM sub is just fine for DRG soloing anyway >_>


Not as idea l as say WHM RDM or BLU but it gets the job (heal breath) done.

[Icemage]

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Lighten up, folks. Seriously.

LadyKiki's guide doesn't affect anyone in a party, since it revolves around solo'ing. Unless you care to put forth that someone soloing DRG to 75 is suddenly going to turn around and do HNM activities on DRG, I don't see how it matters how you got there.

Sure, it does mean that you may not have as firm a grasp on how High/Super Jump work in a party setting, or how useful Spirit Surge can be in saving someone who has picked up too much enmity, but if you haven't figured out that these are going to be issues after spending months gaining 75 levels, one EP at a time, then I don't know what else to say.

Incidentally, I think LadyKiki's choice of DRG/BLM is fine for soloing. It still triggers Healing Breath, and BLM have the lowest cost magics available to them (well, you might use /SCH these days, but this was back in 2006). And there's the side benefit of Escape and Warp - notice the setting in the screenshot is Bostaunieux Oubliette. Escaping or Warping out of there is a lot handier and faster than just Sneaking out, and when you're investing the huge amounts of time it takes to gain one level after another, any reduction in prep time is probably appreciated.


Icemage

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: The DRG Solo Guide (Disbanded) ; Response

Incidentally, I think LadyKiki's choice of DRG/BLM is fine for soloing. It still triggers Healing Breath, and BLM have the lowest cost magics available to them (well, you might use /SCH these days, but this was back in 2006).

So does /BLU with Power Attack (5MP), that was around in 2006. Cocoon isn't too shabby, either.

[Spinnthrift]

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Sevv, in your limited wisdom, you said - was I capable of functioning in a party with a new job.

I know right now, I could pick up *any* job in the game, and within ten minutes of joining a party, be able to fulfil the needs of that party adequately. Not necessarily brilliantly, but enough to not be a laughing stock.

That was the first I could find, the others I deleted too - for the same reason.
Allakhazam.com: Final Fantasy XI: Forums

Dealt with solo builds, general gearing, macro swapping, etc.. and camps. Showed how people even playing Taru's could make chain x4 on VT's. With pictures and without using juice. I'd expanded it as well, each time making it bigger... never got around to posting it on here before losing the final version. It started at 30 and I tweaked and tweaked and made it bigger every so often before removing it the day I stopped posting (around level 60-65).

Would I think someone would repeat the same thing over and over and over... Yes. Christ - how many people only merit in Bhaflau on Colibri... and that's more exp than levelling to 75... Weird that... but true.

Skoal: My point was not saying the job is a loljob... but that anyone who wants to post a guide, needs to be not a joke. And laughing about how they suck in party and their tank job is also the same.. makes me cry at a job I've loved from day one of playing... makes me go, it's people like this who made me get lolDrg comments all the time I was playing.

I'm not saying - shoot, slapping EP's for seals is bad. I'm saying, what was in the OP, was dire for a poster boy. Or girl. Or mithra. This is why people have been saying lolDrg for years. And I went back through her posts - after Vyuru so deftly said I didn't know what she was on...

And I found:

"Don't need to upgrade Bone +1 till Brig"
"Nin/Thf is a DD option"
and more...

There were some gems of wisdom, that even wikipedia are wrong about - like (Wiki posted that WS's could be paralysed, from personal experience of Ganiman in game to verify, just to clarify for some people who's reading comprehension is lacking):

"WS's can't be paralyzed." (meaning - for the stupid, that this quote is accurate - which at the time posted, a lot of people said otherwise, this quote was taken from a post back in 2006, which Ladykiki said and was correct, sorry that I had to make a lot of sentences out, but some people can't understand anything not spelled out in simple tardworthy english).

But the majority of stuff - wasn't, groundbreaking, earth shattering or even inspired. Which validates what I said originally.

Here's a comparison for you...

You have person a: who systematically levels all their sj's for a job, and takes care with how they do things and strives to be a good example, and person b: who admits they can't function in a party, doesn't level subs for their jobs, and has a lackadaisical attitude to their job.

Which one do you want advising the newbies? Anyone who says the latter - is basically saying Lady's a good thing. It's like promoting Rdm melee, naked bards and Blu/Spoons or Blu/Fork. It might work, but come on, use your heads a little. I'm saying the same thing I have at the start - you want credibility, don't come up with slapdash. Don't promote your advice with sloppy standards. Is that unreasonable to expect from a poster boy? Well - maybe for Drg's... hence why they've always been accused of being a loljob (and while I wish I could change that - it's not me bringing the hate). I for one would much rather see someone who's methodical and a good role model write a decent guide that people could get behind...

Sevv, if you ever have an original and not sycophantic thought pop into your head, give it my condolences, it'll be awfully lonely there.

[Mog]

Re: The DRG Solo Guide (Disbanded) ; Response

Request to lock this thread. < .>

It's going absolutely nowhere and degenerating into what should be in Killing Ifrit.

[LadyKiKi]

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I didn't post to boast, just to get that cleared up. One other thing is no, I don't go into EXP parties anymore, and the tanking as PLD75/WAR29, well, only for Faust in Sky when no other PLDs are on.

As for Spinnthrift, I believe I remember seeing you on Alla, as a ... Hume in ... Honam gear (and an assortment of DRG relic) getting Chain #4. I'm in awe for that gear as I would want some myself, but no where close.l

I started off soloing back at the time I believe when a lot of people were moaning how they can't get parties as DRG ... (2005?). As for the lolDRG stuff, I basically took DRG to 75 and left it there.

My main is technically BST. I mentioned I was in an all pet LS.

Per my playing method, I do not party to EXP. I do occasionally party to do missions/quest, and I do Sky on/off only as BST. Even then, in Sky, I'm limited to either:

1. Calling my crab and chucking it at whatever (i.e. Kirin, inside-pop item NMs)
2. Outside, charm a bird, throw on mob.

I have admitted my guide is useless at its current state due to all the new developments and areas of the game. And this is why somewhat I have abandoned my idea of finishing the guide as it is obsolete.

However, I just do what I can. I like the game and this is the only way I can really play in it, via soloing.

Just to note, the sub I would've used was RDM, but as I only had 1000~EXP or so to go, I preferred a quick way out.

I am happy to listen to everyone's opinions though and I am finding it quite interesting to read everyone's ideas.

And Skoal said it best, soloing, you can do what you want and it doesn't affect anyone. Should the time come for me to do something rather serious (Dynamis/HNM), I'll work on it of course. But aside from liking the game, it's just Final Fantasy in general, and I guess to an extent, the people on it. Soloing is just something for me to do. You know, unwind after a day of work.

What I guess I am providing is information (the backbone) to it all, but the rest you'll have to develop yourself.

[Sevv]

Re: The DRG Solo Guide (Disbanded) ; Response

Sevv, in your limited wisdom, you said - was I capable of functioning in a party with a new job.

I know right now, I could pick up *any* job in the game, and within ten minutes of joining a party, be able to fulfil the needs of that party adequately. Not necessarily brilliantly, but enough to not be a laughing stock.

That was the first I could find, the others I deleted too - for the same reason.
Allakhazam.com: Final Fantasy XI: Forums

Dealt with solo builds, general gearing, macro swapping, etc.. and camps. Showed how people even playing Taru's could make chain x4 on VT's. With pictures and without using juice. I'd expanded it as well, each time making it bigger... never got around to posting it on here before losing the final version. It started at 30 and I tweaked and tweaked and made it bigger every so often before removing it the day I stopped posting (around level 60-65).

Would I think someone would repeat the same thing over and over and over... Yes. Christ - how many people only merit in Bhaflau on Colibri... and that's more exp than levelling to 75... Weird that... but true.

Skoal: My point was not saying the job is a loljob... but that anyone who wants to post a guide, needs to be not a joke. And laughing about how they suck in party and their tank job is also the same.. makes me cry at a job I've loved from day one of playing... makes me go, it's people like this who made me get lolDrg comments all the time I was playing.

I'm not saying - shoot, slapping EP's for seals is bad. I'm saying, what was in the OP, was dire for a poster boy. Or girl. Or mithra. This is why people have been saying lolDrg for years. And I went back through her posts - after Vyuru so deftly said I didn't know what she was on...

And I found:

"Don't need to upgrade Bone +1 till Brig"
"Nin/Thf is a DD option"
and more...

There were some gems of wisdom, that even wikipedia are wrong about - like:

"WS's can't be paralyzed."

But the majority of stuff - wasn't, groundbreaking, earth shattering or even inspired. Which validates what I said originally.

Here's a comparison for you...

You have person a: who systematically levels all their sj's for a job, and takes care with how they do things and strives to be a good example, and person b: who admits they can't function in a party, doesn't level subs for their jobs, and has a lackadaisical attitude to their job.

Which one do you want advising the newbies? Anyone who says the latter - is basically saying Lady's a good thing. It's like promoting Rdm melee, naked bards and Blu/Spoons or Blu/Fork. It might work, but come on, use your heads a little. I'm saying the same thing I have at the start - you want credibility, don't come up with slapdash. Don't promote your advice with sloppy standards. Is that unreasonable to expect from a poster boy? Well - maybe for Drg's... hence why they've always been accused of being a loljob (and while I wish I could change that - it's not me bringing the hate). I for one would much rather see someone who's methodical and a good role model write a decent guide that people could get behind...

Sevv, if you ever have an original and not sycophantic thought pop into your head, give it my condolences, it'll be awfully lonely there.

OK this post made me lol so hard.

This was just epic fail.

Weapon Skills CAN NOT be paralyzed. There is hundreds of threads on this, your nothing more then a running joke on most web pages.

Coming into a drg forum and trying to preach about a loljob is just idiotic that is why your posts hold no ground. And if anything the big lol job atm is lolthf, you get to sit outside the allaince and pop in for th3 for the near death.

Try and take personal shots at me is just a lolable route, Spin if you think you have more exp or knowledge on the game is hope you would check yourself. Personal shot = nothing more the a sad desperate attempt.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: The DRG Solo Guide (Disbanded) ; Response

Spinnthrift, I have some urgent business to attend to at the moment, but before go out I'd like to point out that some of the biggest elitists in the forum have come to this thread, looked at it in context and responded politely.

You responded like a dick, which isn't elitist at all, its just being a jerk.

DRG was my first 60+ job, it was the job I made all the mistakes on and its why I have such a meticulous approach to every other job I play now. The OP's approach differs from mine likely due to different priorities or time constraints, but they admit openly that thier approach is likely something people don't want to employ in PT play.

When you solo, your pet doesn't argue about the EXP, your gear or your sub. How one solos has no impact on other people who choose to party thier jobs. Applying PT standards to a solo situation is foolish

I'll tell you right now I have soloed my BST at 40+ in Riverne Site #A01 with /15NIN - tell me what awesome spells I would have if I had it higher in a 40 cap zone? I posted my experience EXPing there in the BST Anthologies and I've actually recieved rather positive feedback, some that read it now use that as a merit camp for BST now. I also made mention that if you didn't level Axe on another job, you might lose some skill-ups if you stayed there til 42.

So long as the OP prefaces thier guide from a solo perspective and only that, it does no harm to other players.

[Sevv]

Re: The DRG Solo Guide (Disbanded) ; Response

God I love the gil system.

Gil is fun!

[LadyKiKi]

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The idea of the guide back then, was to suggest people they can solo for some light EXP while seeking. I remember reading a lot of horror stories how (job) doesn't get invited or takes so long to get an invite.

As I said a few posts above, I log on after everything else is taken care of, didn't really have time to look for party and stay for the duration, sooo I looked into soloing while chatting to LS people and unwinding for the 2~ hours I have left until I go to sleep and go back to work.

[Sevv]

Re: The DRG Solo Guide (Disbanded) ; Response

The idea of the guide back then, was to suggest people they can solo for some light EXP while seeking. I remember reading a lot of horror stories how (job) doesn't get invited or takes so long to get an invite.

As I said a few posts above, I log on after everything else is taken care of, didn't really have time to look for party and stay for the duration, sooo I looked into soloing while chatting to LS people and unwinding for the 2~ hours I have left until I go to sleep and go back to work.

And the point that stuck with alot of us old schoolers was that you played the job because you loved it, and played it the way you enjoyed it. Scouting out alot of your own camps and sharing the info, regardless of your sub job you had your heart leveled =D.

Sorry about the mini-fight I just don't allow people to come in and take shots at our old school dragoons =D.

[Spinnthrift]

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Ladykiki - You might be confusing me with someone else, as I'm Taru. ^^ My chaining was all as I was levelling.. on Mandies to Bats to Crabs.. anything I could exp on in a party, I'd try and exp on Drg with. Right now - my main doesn't have Drg levelled past 40ish (long story; .

I don't have any issues with the way you play solo, just with the presentation. It's been a gripe of mine from the early days of Drg, -back when people felt they didn't need more than AF. Saw your sj's and thought the same thing. If you want to collaborate - I'm probably going to drag my next character up through 40+ solo... so if you want to share some notes on post 40 with updates (ToAU lands, Signet Bonus and Shadowlands).. and I doubt there'll be much campaign/bst pet mobs in it, I'll gladly send you screenies/etc.

Sevv: Learn to read - I'd said, that she was one of the people saying that they couldn't... something Wiki got wrong (Wiki said they could be paralyzed - knowing Ganiman personally as I did and he made me laugh in exp). I realise that it's a failing of yours, but... re-read what you quoted, and go, shit... he actually pulled out one of the things she said and was saying it was right. As in correct. They can't be. Hence why Wiki got it wrong.

Kitten: I've always been a dick. Nothing new there. But usually an accurate one. As Sevv above misquoted, either deliberately, or through gross stupidity. Your pick.

[LadyKiKi]

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Ladykiki - You might be confusing me with someone else, as I'm Taru. ^^ My chaining was all as I was levelling.. on Mandies to Bats to Crabs.. anything I could exp on in a party, I'd try and exp on Drg with. Right now - my main doesn't have Drg levelled past 40ish (long story; .

I don't have any issues with the way you play solo, just with the presentation. It's been a gripe of mine from the early days of Drg, -back when people felt they didn't need more than AF. Saw your sj's and thought the same thing. If you want to collaborate - I'm probably going to drag my next character up through 40+ solo... so if you want to share some notes on post 40 with updates (ToAU lands, Signet Bonus and Shadowlands).. and I doubt there'll be much campaign/bst pet mobs in it, I'll gladly send you screenies/etc.

Ah sorry, I think I have confused it then. That particular person was fighting Sea Puks (with rather nice DRG gear) and was up to chain 4 at VT.

I don't understand what you mean by sharing notes on post 40. Do you mean that as in the context of soloing normal (EM+) mobs (with a job none DRG or BST or sub BST) or do you mean it in the BST context? Because when I sub BST to solo I tend to go to the suggested (and eventually, my own found (so I do not stomp on top of the BSTs that may level there)) camps.

Otherwise I believe between you and me there is nothing new to be found. The basics apply, find camp (with no EXP party), make sure mobs don't link or are hard to link, apply reraise, and stay alive . However I guess with Sigil the EXP bonus would be nice, but for me I like to sustain myself with rewards from Conquest Points, hence my preference to not explore the new expansion areas (I believe you get no allied notes for killnig mobs in the past). And there's some Perdu gear I would like eventually so I prefer to do ToAU areas (with BST related activity) past 63 (the ideal level to go to the Mire when you sub BST). I may be missing out on an opportunity with the past areas, as someone pointed out to me the other week about Djinns in the past, getting them to blow up for quick EXP, but I'm looking at it from a lot of angles too, with no desire for extremely fast EXP (but it's quite nice).

As for my guide, I ran a word count through it and at its current state it's at 8138 words, the pages are illustrated with pictures where possible so it doesn't seem boring. I see where your coming from with the presentation term, but I think aside from the effort I put into my subjobs my guide looks very pretty to read.

It's all in HTML files and there's a built in calculator (which I believe is not hard to make for people seasoned in making webpages, but I only applied what I learnt in university to the page~ it was just a silly function of a page as one of my "modules") which calculates when Healing Breath will go off and such, dependant on subjob, gear (AF helm/no AF helm) and amount of HP. Everything else is explained to the best of my ability.

EDIT: I forgot to add, it's still unfinished. But I have put thought into it.

I'm also sorry if my post has dragged you into all this argument with others. It is your choice as to what you want to do next, but I hope for this topic not to be locked and that you don't get into trouble. Otherwise I'm open to ideas and discussions. It's good to talk.