DRG Elitist BS

[Greylynx]

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The OP isn't like that, but it's the same principle. People who don't do well won't get far. You may say it's different because the OP has gear and uses it. Would it be better if said RDM had Cure, but refused to ever cast it because it wasn't fun to him? That is a little more exactly what the OP is doing. He has it, but doesn't use it.

I disagree with this point. A RDMs job is to Refresh, Heal(or Backup Heal), and Enfeeble. So if he isn't healing then he isn't doing part of his job. A DRGs job is to deal damage, skillchain, and often participate in SATA. I do all of those things, and I have NEVER had a complaint in a party about my performance. So your analogy might be better stated as similar to a RDM without capped magic skill, who is doing his job but could be better at it. Yes I could have another +20 ATT and be better at my job, but with or without it I am still doing whats expected of me.

Actually that makes my think about how ironic this situation is really. I have NEVER had a complaint about my performance as a DRG in a party. The complaints I get are from random /checks from people who don't seem to be able to worry about themselves and leave the rest of us alone.

After three weeks away from the game, and plenty of thinking about the situation and everyones comments here, I have changed my setup:

Head: Walk Mask
Neck: Tiger Stole
Earring: Spike Earring x2
Ring: Assailants Ring
Ring: Puisannce Ring
Body: Scorpion Harness
Waist: Lifebelt
Hands: Bastokan Mittens (Feral at 65)
Back: Amerat Mantle
Legs: Bastokan Subligar (Feral at 63)
Feet: AF (Feral at 63)

I mean at the end of the day the 70DRG was right about my gear. The issue was never that however. In my mind the issue was always the way they went about it. Funny thing is though, now that I am "decked out" in attack gear, I can't bring myself to party..... I caved into the elitism and its soured the game for me. At least when I was in my AF I was proud of my achievements as a DRG. Now I don't even have that.

[Mog]

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I'm just saying, DRG has a bad enough rep as it is. Why make it worse for yourself and others by CHOOSING to wear subpar gear when you have better gear ON you.



Do you find it fun LFP?



There's no need to make it worse on yourself. I'm not saying everyone should go out and get 2xHQ Snipers and a PCC charm. However, the gears which he has that are better, are fairly cheap gears. Choosing not to wear them only hurts him and potentially hurts everyone else when he ends up reinforcing the loldrg stereotype.

{Hmmm....}

I also disagree with this statement. You seem to have missed the point of the OP. As far as I remember, Grey used the said "Subpar gear" (which I'm sure he had a reason to) during an assault mission. The higher level dragoon was an elitist ass and chose to make a big deal out of him not wearing more suited gear for drg.

People are THAT serious over assault? Assault???? People that make a big scene like that over a pick-up mission for a low-level assault should quit playing this game. Now.

He seem to use appropriate gear for his drg when partying (at least from what I've skimmed through reading) , but was only changing it up when he wanted to do something fun and leisurely, such as assault. You're making it seem that he's following the LOLdrg stereotype and not conforming to drg standards.

Cut the guy a break.

[Lmnop]

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I don't really disagree with anything Yeargdribble's been saying. Main thing that I agree with that should be hammered home: Exp'ing in something subpar is bad.

Of course, I'd carry this over to equip swaps when there are so many situations where having 2 pieces of gear to swap between is better and cheaper than one expensive piece.

however, "subpar" doesn't mean "not the best." Jaridah is now Par. AF body is Subpar. AF hands are par. Battle gloves are par. SFG could be considered a bit above par. See? As long as you're par to good in most slots, you're fine.

Of course, the OP was checked and all this went down while they were standing in whitegate. Not even in the assault yet. And honestly, I like his gear choices. Wearing battle gloves seems similar to Warriors who don't use Shield Break because they could be doing better damage with something else. SFG are great, but it really makes me wonder just how much of an acc boost those gloves give your wyvern.

I wear full AF (I'm warrior, it doesn't even look good) and level 14 accessories all the time. >.> Doubtless people who don't know me think I'm gimped beyond all belief. But I doubt those people have 3.5 equipment set-ups.

[LilithAngel]

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it really makes me wonder just how much of an acc boost those gloves give your wyvern.

Just as an aside, whenever I go into the Imperial Agent Rescue Assault in Mamool Ja TG, I bring the AF hands. I was experimenting with letting the wyvern be my sole source of damage/mob TP, and I noticed that the acc was a little low, so I tried on the AF hands, and to my surprise, the *massive* nin evasion that the mob displayed just up and disappeared in an instant; my wyvern's acc had literally shot through the roof.

This is part of why I believe every piece of the Dragoon AF has a purpose. I managed to upgrade AF body, so I can now wear that full time to get a constant Regen effect for my wyvern *at the same time* as having what pretty much amounts to a Hauby effect for myself full time. AF boots macroed in for Jump. AF pants for /mage. AF gloves for when your wyvern needs to be the one to do damage (Genbu and some of the other gods/HNMs come to mind). AF helm for Breaths. The Relic set is even more specialist in nature (relic pants for High Jump, relic helm as part of a Healing Breath macro alongside AF helm). It's not what each piece does, it's how you use it that counts.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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The OP isn't like that, but it's the same principle. People who don't do well won't get far. You may say it's different because the OP has gear and uses it. Would it be better if said RDM had Cure, but refused to ever cast it because it wasn't fun to him? That is a little more exactly what the OP is doing. He has it, but doesn't use it.

People who don't do well get very far lately. (see the ToA generation of lolWAR, lolBRD, lolNIN and lolMNKs for reference).

People are THAT serious over assault? Assault???? People that make a big scene like that over a pick-up mission for a low-level assault should quit playing this game. Now.

Yeah, that's pretty much my thing. My RNG ritually goes into CoP missions without a belt or backpiece. Is that bad? There's not much to gain in those slots til later. Why waste the gil when I have to sink it into oils and other stuff for this mission. Its not like i'm going to make everyone lose the BCNM if I don't.

Same thing with assault. If all I'm gonna do is flail at a stone wall, kill some worms or get flung against some gate I don't really think gear is a major factor there. Assault objectives are not always "kill them all," ya know.

And in NM camping, I'll shed some excess gear or AF just to make room for whatever crystals or misc loot I'm going to get. Its not crucial to have uber gear at all times, only in EXP, high level BCNMs and endgame content.

[Vyuru]

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Wow, quite alot of really good replies.

If you think there's no point in getting the Republic Subligar at 25 because it's only Atk+5 then why even bother getting Feral Trousers at 63 with the exact same stats (give or take a few DEF)?

If you say this about every piece of gear, you quickly end up in a situation of having crappy gear over all. Why wear Battle Gloves? They are only Acc+3. Same with Venerer's... why bother? Same with the Peti... it's only 5 atk and only 5 acc.

I don't think there is no point in getting the Feral trousers at 63, just that there is little point. Right now at 67, just guessing at the numbers I'd say I have about 311 attack with my exp gear on, and about 250 defense. Toss in Berserk, and the possibility of meat dishes, and the +3-5 attack from those leg armors is really negligible.

AF head vs Valk/Walk mask? Well, Lumiere may not use the breath attack that the enemy is weakest to all the time, but she almost never uses one that the enemy is strong to either, so I see little benefit to wearing the AF helm. Of courses I've met other dragoons who claim that their wyvern used breaths that the enemy was strong to constantly, and they either used the AF helm or used an equipment swap macro for WS to swap it in. So this is another piece of gear that I could see a dragoon using or not using. Since my wyven is pretty good in choosing her breath attacks, I see little benefit to the AF helm, that doesn't mean though that someone else won't find it useful.

I think you could make an arguement that the AF legs would enhance your Wyvern's breath attacks for more damage than the Republic/Bastoken/Feral legs would enhance your damage, so I wouldn't call them useless. All of the above leg armor look to be at least roughly equivilant.

Like I said earlier, if the rest of his gear is good, there will be little to no difference if he chooses to wear something else in that slot, and since the OP is around lvl 60, I was thinking of that armor in that context. I do agree that at a lower level this gear would make much more of a difference.

and anyone worth a damn knows that they've always been a solid DD. Getting wtfpwn gear only opens the door for all manner of retards to send invites.

The people who are worth a damn are the people I would tend to want to do CoP missions with, and are sadly lacking. There are alot more high level people who I would have to say know little to nothing about this game. Given that most of my interaction with other players is in exp parties now, and I would have to say that roughly 70% of the players I have met are idiots, not counting the level 30 and below crowd who tend to be worse.

I caved into the elitism and its soured the game for me. At least when I was in my AF I was proud of my achievements as a DRG. Now I don't even have that.

I still say that if you want to change your gear that you should find a setup that works for you and your style of play.

You know, my personal preference is to go with gear that boosts my base stats, such as str, and gear that boosts my accuracy. Don't forget that for every 2 points to your base stats you gain 1 point increase in it's corresponding stat. My Enkelados's Bracelets have +7 str on them, that translates to +3 attack as well. Another example would be some dragoons favor the Royal Knight's Belt +1, I favor the Vanguard belt for the mixed +str/att it gives.

Find the stats that are important to you that you want to boost that you feel would best enhance your performance, use what others have suggested as a guide as to what to do.


LilithAngel brings up a entire host of good uses for the AF armor in her post. Saw that before I posted this.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Just to note, people who say that AF helm is useless - those people have never, ever soloed DRG. Its a big boost if you're using a mage sub to have that HB trigger jump from 1/3 HP to 1/2. And if you do go with the balanced wyvern (DRK, PLD, BRD, NIN sub), you're jumping from a 1/4 HP trigger to 1/3.

EXP and Endgame are not the end-all/be-all context in which gear should be judged. There are applications elsewhere. That flute BRDs get for Assault isn't that hot all around because the Ballad +1 effect only applies to Assault, but if you're big on Assault, its the only BRD instrument in the game that does something to Ballads, so it has a purpose.

[Caspian]

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Wow, quite alot of really good replies.
I don't think there is no point in getting the Feral trousers at 63, just that there is little point. Right now at 67, just guessing at the numbers I'd say I have about 311 attack with my exp gear on, and about 250 defense. Toss in Berserk, and the possibility of meat dishes, and the +3-5 attack from those leg armors is really negligible.

Except for the fact that your damage isn't so much based on your total attack, but the check b/w your attack and the mob's defense, and likewise your str v. the mob's vit.
Its not an ungodly amount of attack, but it does make a difference. And in reference to what Yeargdribble was saying and to which you were responding, if you have that same attitude about every piece of gear with 5 atk, then you're denying yourself many pieces which "only" give 5 attack. That attack adds up and makes a much bigger difference.

That flute BRDs get for Assault isn't that hot all around because the Ballad +1 effect only applies to Assault, but if you're big on Assault, its the only BRD instrument in the game that does something to Ballads, so it has a purpose.

Though it may be ridiculously expensive and a pipedream for most, Gjallarhorn does give +2 to ballad in all areas.

[Jei]

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I think we know about relic horn. But any relic in general are just... out of reach for the majority of the population. Hell, people said I'm the richest craftman in my social LS and I can't even afford a kraken club.

I usually filter all damages done by others. Unless someone really is using bad bad gear (like level 10 scale mails at level 50+) I'm not going to complain. You can wear a full AF DRG in my party and not that I'll care really.

I recently ran into some BS similar to this. It was a level 49-50 ranger, rank 10, somewhere around that. Flagged as J only. So I sent tell in japanese telling my party set up which he accepted. We were making our way to our camp, which is the beetle behind garlaige door #2 I think....

The ranger then just ran into a bomb without invis, aggro, died, HPed, left PT without a word. Turned out he was indeed NA without a single clue about japanese. I talked to his room mate, he said the Rng thought my PT "didn't meet his expectation" so he purposely did that to screw us up.

I mean, wtf!? He was seeking with J, and I did tell him my PT set up. If he didn't understand it why the hell J. Not to mention he's rank 10, is the leader of the best Sea LS, just unlocked relic G Katana. Still, he can be an ass hole.

The name's Map if you're curious. Omgwtf probably knows who he is.

All that you see... is why I prefer a PT member that doesn't cause problem. If they have godly gear, good. If not, I don't care. Just don't pick a fight with other members, do what your job's supposed to do, don't start up drama, don't leave only 5 minutes into the hunt, don't go AFK for 30 minutes, stick to the group for at least 3 hours and I'm a happy leader.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Though it may be ridiculously expensive and a pipedream for most, Gjallarhorn does give +2 to ballad in all areas.

My understanding is that it only affects duration. But then, the only person I know lf that has one is on my server and I never see him play BRD these days.

The name's Map if you're curious. Omgwtf probably knows who he is.

The only thing he does know is endgame, he's not much good for anything else. He's also an expert on DRGs and why they suck (he's 57 DRG, so wow, a real expert) and rabidly defended his "wall of justice" wins of AV. He's a real piece of work.

[Caspian]

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My understanding is that it only affects duration. But then, the only person I know lf that has one is on my server and I never see him play BRD these days.

Icemage and a few other people I've talked to about it, all say its +2 to each song. Makes for +7 with both ballads.
Like I said though, don't really count relics as normal equipment.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Icemage and a few other people I've talked to about it, all say its +2 to each song. Makes for +7 with both ballads.
Like I said though, don't really count relics as normal equipment.

Yeah, nice as that may be, doesn't seem worth all the work to get it. Hell, some relics aren't even as good as other weapons you can get outside of Dynamis or pre-endgame, so its hard to see the point to any of it. An exclusive WS is cute and all, but when you have things like Ridill, Joyeuse or Temperance Axe out there, its hard to care about the relic if your job can equip those, though Ridill... good luck with that one

But even with the "attainable"gear, not all of us want to slave over farming to get Sniper Rings +1 and all that. Sushi and rings you can get from CoP NMs and ENMs pretty much address that issue, not to mention Jaridah set. Since Jaridah came out, Scorpion Harness lost a lot of ground.

[Yeargdribble]

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My understanding is that it only affects duration. But then, the only person I know lf that has one is on my server and I never see him play BRD these days.

As Caspian said, it is indeed 7MP/tick. 2+2 & 2+1. An aquaintance of mine has one. My wife has PT'd with him on ocassion and seen it first hand.

As for Map... Map is a gimp. I don't care if he has an lolsash. He has an underleveled WAR sub for his SAM. He's nothing more than a drama-whore and an asshole. Pulling stunts like what he did are horrible. It's ridiculous to do that to anyone in the game. I am nothing like Map.


The problem here is misunderstanding. People want to make me out to be the type that kicks you from a PT if you don't have a PCC and Sniper's +1. In reality, I rarely even check people just to avoid seeming rude to those that don't like it. Beyond that, I almost never comment on someone's gear unless I am specifically asked to or it's something along the lines of wearing an event body to tank in.

Items like PCC are sheer ultra luxury items. They are nice if you have them, but they are luxury due to their performance/price ratio. The gear I'm talking about it stuff that is far cheaper.

You can incrementally say that XXX piece of gear isn't that good, but like Caspian said, it adds up. Battle Gloves+Republic Greaves (depending on conquest) = Sniper's +1 at a fraction of the cost. 2xBeetle Earring+1 and Republic Subligar = 11 atk... that's the same as SFG at a fraction of the cost. Not only are these at a fraction of the cost, but they are lower level.

If you have a lot of money then go for the luxury items if it suits you. However, don't think that I'm gonna tell someone they must have luxury items. I merely think that if you have the items available to you, I hope you were them in XP.

If you have the item and refuse to wear it for sheer vanity sake, then you are treading toward gimpness. If I, as a BRD, decided that I should wear AF and no staff for vanity sake, I could get someone killed when my sleep failed. Perhaps a DRG isn't gonna potentially kill someone, but if every person in your PT takes the attitude of "it's only a tiny bit better", it will add up enough to significantly slow down XP.

People who post on this forum are obviously more resourceful than the majority of people that play the game. That's probably why I hold them to a higher standard. If you are resourceful enough to know what gear is superior, then you should use it.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
--Edmund Burke

Yeah, that's pretty much my thing. My RNG ritually goes into CoP missions without a belt or backpiece. Is that bad? There's not much to gain in those slots til later. Why waste the gil when I have to sink it into oils and other stuff for this mission. Its not like i'm going to make everyone lose the BCNM if I don't.

There's a hint of implication here to paint me in a light that is not fitting. Having leveled many melees through low levels, I'm keenly aware that there's really nothing for them on a handful of slots (with the back being most conspicuous). I personally have taken to wearing the Talisman Cape on melee jobs in XP, though I think it's a luxury and can understand why you'd go capeless for many lower capped missions.

Same thing with assault. If all I'm gonna do is flail at a stone wall, kill some worms or get flung against some gate I don't really think gear is a major factor there. Assault objectives are not always "kill them all," ya know.

Actualy, as I type, I'm doing an assault in Ilrusi. My SMN friend likes to solo it and just needs 2 extra bodies to let him in, so my wife and myself are happy to go join. I'm currently wearing hardly any gear except for some of my Relic (which is mostly worthless mind you). If it's not pertinent, I say don't wear it.

And in NM camping, I'll shed some excess gear or AF just to make room for whatever crystals or misc loot I'm going to get. Its not crucial to have uber gear at all times, only in EXP, high level BCNMs and endgame content.

I agree with you so I'd appreciate that people stop trying to vilify me for things I didn't say. However, you said it yourself that good gear (you actually said uber, which I wouldn't necessarily agree with) in XP. This is what I'm talking about. If you have good gear available for a not ungodly price, then you should wear it in situations like XP. There's really no excuse to wear AF when you have something better available for a very reasonable price and especially if you already own the gear.

[Vyuru]

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Except for the fact that your damage isn't so much based on your total attack, but the check b/w your attack and the mob's defense, and likewise your str v. the mob's vit.
Its not an ungodly amount of attack, but it does make a difference.

Even so, with my example I still don't see how one piece alone that offers +3att could be really helpfull when you have over 300 attack. Granted, I don't fully understand how the damage is calculated, but that's just how I see it. To me it's like asking why aren't you wearing a +3acc piece when you have +60acc in gear, it seems to me to be overkill at that point and not needed, especially if you think there is an alternative piece of armor that is as good or possibly better.

Battle Gloves+Republic Greaves (depending on conquest) = Sniper's +1 at a fraction of the cost.

On my server Windurst typically controls the areas that people don't normally exp in, beginner areas, areas around Jeuno, and the northlands. I really wish I could rely on regional control so that I could use the special conquest gear like the Rupublic Greaves.

The problem here is misunderstanding. People want to make me out to be the type that kicks you from a PT if you don't have a PCC and Sniper's +1.

No, I don't think so, at least I have not gotten that impression from you, you seem more the player who expects others to play as best as they reasonably can, and not some crazy elitist like DirtyClown suggests. While I might disagree with you on a few points concerning which gear is better than others, I do think your advice is sound, and you bring up some very good points.

[dirtyclown]

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No, I don't think so, at least I have not gotten that impression from you, you seem more the player who expects others to play as best as they reasonably can, and not some crazy elitist like DirtyClown suggests.

I remember the part where I called him a tool, but I don't recall the crazy elitist part. Care to refresh my memory?