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    Well, the drg/sam thread got me to thinking about other subs that we could use at 75, most of what I say is somewhat hypothetical since I can't test these out yet myself, so I don't know if they would really work or not. Also I might have some of my dark knight info wrong.

    It might sound odd, but what about drg/drk?

    With Empathy merited, we can now give Last Resort to our wyvern, and stoneskin with full wyvern hp. Last Resort takes 10% of the users max hp, and converts it into straight damage. So if you had 430 hp and were hitting for 0s, with Last Resort you'd hit for 43 for one minute.

    However it is important to remember that Last Resort when subbed takes 10% of your max hp and converts 5% of that into damage.

    I believe at level 67, our wyvern's have somewhere between 900-1200 hp, so just using 900hp as a level 75 wyvern's hp, so 10% of a wyverns max hp would be 90, 50% of that would be 45 added damage per hit for your wyvern, considering that your wyvern typically hits twice for every hit you do, that added damage adds up pretty quickly, especially if you managed to give your wyvern haste with Last Resort. If you used Spirit Link when your wyvern was at full hp, then it got stoneskin now as well, so stoneskin would absorb some of the damage being dealt to your wyvern by Last Resort.

    If a dragoon hits about 8x per minute, then your wyvern should hit roughly 16 times at best, so that would be what, 16x45=720 damage per minute, at best. I'll assume 600 damage per minute for delay and whatever else as a lower bound estimate, every 3 minutes (3minute recast timer on LR)

    This would be the main reason for subbing drk, true we could use weapon bash, but that does not return tp, and is not a guarenteed stun, the spells /drk would give us would be mainly useful to trigger healing breaths with, but since our wyvern would be a mixed type, with our AF helm we could heal ourselves at 33%hp, and I doubt a healer would let us get that low.

    Still, boosting your wyvern's damage by that much might be worthwhile to consider, but I suspect that you would have to have the wyvern feed to keep your wyvern's hp up, and even then after a few Last Resorts I suspect that your wyvern's hp would be very low. Which makes me wonder if you can kill yourself with Last Resort.

    But with enough Empathy upgrades, you could transfer a higher tier Regen to your wyvern couldn't you?

    Ahh, and I am forgetting that Spirit Link is on a 5 minute timer isn't it?

    Still it's interesting to think about dealing more damage through your wyvern.


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    Re: Other subjobs at level 75

    With Empathy merited, we can now give Last Resort to our wyvern, and stoneskin with full wyvern hp. Last Resort takes 10% of the users max hp, and converts it into straight damage. So if you had 430 hp and were hitting for 0s, with Last Resort you'd hit for 43 for one minute.
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    • #3
      Re: Other subjobs at level 75

      -sorry forgot to edit the above post.

      BTW : /DRK gives you
      1. Stun - You can stun, almost 100% accuracy even WHM/DRK can stun at this rate
      2. Weapon Bash - another stun with 70% effectiveness
      3. Last Resort - 25% atk bonus but only with 30 second timer
      4. Soul Eater - Deal 10% of your hp in damage to both you and the enemy

      But this is ideal in EXP party, in merit TP burn party we want to kill fast, hit hard and take less damage. You can even not to call your wyvern to save mage's mp since there is only 1 mage in the party who is RDM/WHM.

      DRG/SAM seems to be the best in merit PT while DRG/WAR is the second. /WAR might hit a little bit harder though. But why ? because Seigan can save you a few hits (which is 400-500 hp) and keeps the PT chain continue at maximum speed rate.

      DRG/DRK will be useful in
      - Solo/Duo
      - BCNM
      - Limbus/Dynamis (for casting stun)

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      • #4
        Re: Other subjobs at level 75

        Souleater is only like 5% damage added when subbed, though that's still a significant amount of unresistable damage. Still takes 10% when subbed though. Also, you're wording it like it'd be a constant amount. If you have 1000 HP, activate Souleater, and hit, you'll deal 100 extra damage (or 50 subbed). Now you're at 900 HP. If you swing a 2nd time, you lose 90 HP, dealing 90/45 damage. The third time, you swing and lose 81 HP or whatever that'd be and so on. So you need to keep getting cured to continue to deal significant amounts of damage. You cannot Souleater yourself to death. Your HP will likely fall under 33%, at which point you could use Stun to trigger HB and null a swing's worth of certain doom.
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        • #5
          Re: Other subjobs at level 75

          Ah, so it sounds like this would be a very bad way to increase our wyvern's damage, that's too bad.

          On the flipside though, I didn't realise Weapon Bash was so effective, I've always heard dark knights complain about how useless it was.

          Thanks for the replies =^.^=


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