Drg > Sam

[Maju]

That's right, I said it!

Unfortunately I lost the parses, so you'll just have to trust my word. I meant to post this earlier, but I forgot.

A couple days ago I had a L66-67 PT at Magma Erucas in Mt. Zhayolm. The PT setup was PLD/WAR(me), THF/NIN(sub war you baboons!), SAM/WAR, BLM/WHM, BRD/WHM and SMN/WHM.

At first the SAM was outdamaging everybody else. We were pretty dynamic about SCs and we used three different ones:

1. Enpi > DE for Distortion
2. Swift Blade > Gekko for Darkness
3. When the SAM didn't have Meditate ready I would end the Enpi > DE chain with Swift Blade for Darkness.

The L66 SAM's gear was really good and my parser showed that he dealt roughly 31% of the total damage.

Then we invited a L67 DRG/WAR to replace the SAM who had to go. I got dissapointed when I noticed he was fighting in full AF, so I checked him and noticed his gear was horrible. He didn't even have a Life Belt and I'd estimate the total value of his gear was below 500k, perhaps a lot lower, I don't really check the prices of cheap crap. Luckily he was a competent player, though.

Anyway, I was surprised how well he was doing. We changed our SCs to Wheeling Thrust > Shark Bite for Light, but that got resisted a lot so we changed to Skewer > DE > Swift Blade instead.

When I then looked at my parser results the DRG + his wyvern averaged at about 32% total. Sure he was one level higher, but his gear was absolutely horrible while the SAM was very well geared. I think it's safe to say the DRG would have easily beaten the SAM if they both had spent the same ammount of gil on equipment even if they were on the same level.

This is interesting because SAM is considered to be one of the hot melees nowadays while DRG still has a very bad reputation.

[DakAttack]

Re: Drg > Sam

It really becomes a toss up at those levels and beyond until you're starting to join merit parties. Samurai are usually used for SATA WSs that can break 1000 damage easily, while Dragoons' WSs are rather weak, but they make up for it in damage over time.

You should have looked at the total damage done by both, a percentage really doesn't tell us much. The Blm could have slacked a bit, or the Thief ran out of food, which caused a shift in the percentage of damage dealt.

[Maju]

Re: Drg > Sam

It really becomes a toss up at those levels and beyond until you're starting to join merit parties. Samurai are usually used for SATA WSs that can break 1000 damage easily, while Dragoons' WSs are rather weak, but they make up for it in damage over time.

You should have looked at the total damage done by both, a percentage really doesn't tell us much. The Blm could have slacked a bit, or the Thief ran out of food, which caused a shift in the percentage of damage dealt.

Well, I myself did not notice any difference in the THF or BLMs (or my own) performance. The THF certainly did not run out of food either.

[Kailea]

Re: Drg > Sam

see we need more info like this, I get tired of hearing "I can do alot more damage then you" from other jobs.... -.- really DRG can dealdamage just as good as any other melee

[Palin2222]

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It also depends on what you were fighting... Drgs will deal more damage to a flying mob. They Day can play a role for elemental WS's damage. And even then again the player and a fair amount of luck is also a factor.

Basically it all boiles down too, Every Melee job is basically the same. Just different flavors.

[Maju]

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It also depends on what you were fighting... Drgs will deal more damage to a flying mob. They Day can play a role for elemental WS's damage. And even then again the player and a fair amount of luck is also a factor.

Basically it all boiles down too, Every Melee job is basically the same. Just different flavors.

Crawlers have no weaknesses or strenghts against any weapon types, so that was not a factor. Though it's funny how I see many times people belittle THFs and DRGs when fighting flying mobs when in truth THF and DRG would easily outdamage any non-piercing melee.

[Tirrock]

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Well, there's more to damage than just gear. Although I do think DRG gets an unjust reputation. It makes me a bit sad when people go "ewww DRG" in a level 50 party, despite the fact that DRG are pretty amazing at that level.

[iDrizzle]

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That doesn't surprise me much, drg do awesome dmg. My 75 drg friend has a bunch of parsers, and he can outdmg any job he goes up against short of this nuts nin on our server with a 22% crit rate and like 20-30% haste lol. But yea, drg can definately "pwn" if they want to...

[Taolynn]

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Well, there's more to damage than just gear. Although I do think DRG gets an unjust reputation. It makes me a bit sad when people go "ewww DRG" in a level 50 party, despite the fact that DRG are pretty amazing at that level.

QFT

DRG will always be regarded as underdogs in damage. I laugh though when some WAR/NIN/SAM/THF go all crazy about WS damage yet on the parser I am beating them in overall damage. It's ok though, Muffin and I will just snicker behind their backs and proceed on beating them in overall damage ;3v

Oh and BTW, Penta can easily get over 1K damage. But it isn't to skillchain friendly.

[Skoal]

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On Odin we had our Drg ls fight a Sam ls. It was pretty fun. We killed a few, got killed a few times. I have no idea how a sam performs in a party. I have not partied with one since the 40's.

[Shykin]

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Fact: Dragoon the job rocks. The players however are among the worst in the game for some reason. Theres around 10% of drgs that have good gear and know what they are doing.

[Meis]

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Good stuff keep them coming, i enjoy every moment of reading them.

[Khaeos]

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Fact: Dragoon the job rocks. The players however are among the worst in the game for some reason. Theres around 10% of drgs that have good gear and know what they are doing.

Agreed. And the fact that DRG is the job most picked by gilsellers because of the very fact they are awesome soloers doesn't exactly help matters.

I remember quite a few times me and a well equipped SAM or DRK went at it and it went surprisingly my way quite a few times...at least 50% or more. People tend to be sheep, following the herd instead of actually partying with a job and rendering their own opinion.

And Tao, I swear I remember from you Midgard.

[Sigmara]

Re: Drg > Sam

Crawlers have no weaknesses or strenghts against any weapon types, so that was not a factor. Though it's funny how I see many times people belittle THFs and DRGs when fighting flying mobs when in truth THF and DRG would easily outdamage any non-piercing melee.

I have always though that crawlers were weak to piercing dommage.

But I have to agree with most peoples of this tread : DRG is not worst than another melee job imo. The thing should be in mobs that exp PTs usually kill; if my memory is good : crabs are strong to piercing. Knowing that PTs love to kill crabs, that should play a good role in the "DRG too weak" syndrome.

[DakAttack]

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Agreed. And the fact that DRG is the job most picked by gilsellers because of the very fact they are awesome soloers doesn't exactly help matters.

I remember those days quite well, when you'd /sea UpperDelkfutt and see only Drgs and a Whm. Sometimes you'd see them standing around in Jeuno, and they would all have the same faces, hair, and would all be in Dragoon AF.

The only reason they picked Dragoon for farming Delkfutt was for the piercing bonus. Gigas or the bats up there are weak to it, and they'd camp for gil drops and braceletts.

THAT was a bad time for Dragoons.