Need some subjob advice lvl 61+

[Vyuru]

Right now I'm at level 61, and I'm planning on taking a bit of a break from leveling dragoon in order to do some other things, but this means I'll have more time/inventory room for leveling my subs.

Right now, the only fully leveled subs I have for dragoon are warrior and red mage. I love warrior, I love it dearly, but I know once I get to level 65, I get wheeling thrust, which would benefit from have SA to add to it, that being said... Which should I be thinking of using at 65? and might as well toss in /drk, I haven't heard too much discussion on that in awhile

My thoughts on the matter:

Warrior is a good damage output sub. I have heard that wheeling thrust is a naturally highly accurate WS that doesn't miss that often, so I don't feel the need to stack SA with it just to make it hit. However, I do realise that with SA I can macro in all of my +str gear, which is already fairly considerable now, but once I get the new ToAU neck and belt items, that will add another +6 or so to my str.

However I am skeptical as to how much extra damage I'll see from using SA+wheeling thrust. I hear on average that it does about 400-500 without SA, and 600-700 with SA. Sometimes more, sometimes less. But it looks like I can only boost my WT damage by about 200, maybe more, but at the sacrifice of berserk and double attack, which are just huge for my per hit damage output.

I'm kind of expecting to see that all of the per hit damage that I forsake by going from /war to /thf, will be made up by SA + wheeling thrust, in which case I consider it a moot point and would rather go as drg/war.

And I might as well ask about drg/drk, I'd have to check the spells they get, but if I were to macro in a bunch of +int gear, could I get an absorb spell to stick?

[Spinnthrift]

Re: Need some subjob advice lvl 61+

I wouldn't pin your hopes on getting an Abs-Spell to stick... would be my first thought...

Warrior should be your bread and butter sub for Dragoon. It's the one you should be thinking of as first choice every time.

Thief is next - again - it's use is different to /War - being now as a hate controller. However... it's purpose is limited as usually you'll be opening SC's for others. Not a bad sub though.

Mage/Ninja should be levelled up as subs - their applications are less widely used, but they do have their purposes.

Bard/Dark... I'd consider having them levelling up, although I can't currently see any standard exp settings where using them would be advantageous over either of the subs listed above. While I can definately see a *ton* of uses for Drk/Drg... I don't see as many on the flip side sadly... - one of the Dark's in my LS is currently levelling Drg slowly to use as a sub with SE Jumps and High Jumps to allow him to push the boat out further and to hate shed when he does inevitably gain the mobs attention. ^^-b

Blu: Definately a consideration if you're a soloist. Cocoon + Headbutt + Power Attack + random stat boosts are for solo'ing... you can chuck on a lot of +hp spells too to increase your HB trigger - as well as an Auto-Regen effect *and* more... much love there for certain.

[Kailea]

Re: Need some subjob advice lvl 61+

yeah WAR THF SAM DRK WHM RDM BLU are all nice choices, but I would mainly worry about WAR, THF and WHM if you dont want to level that many subs :p

[Kolid]

Re: Need some subjob advice lvl 61+

/DRK isn't a bad sub. My LS leader is a DRG/DRK, level 68, and he does very well. /WAR would be only for SATA, and /THF depending on the setup. (I'd /THF if a NIN was in the party.)
I've heard other Dragoons say that /DRK is good, I hear many say it sucks. I guess that means 1 thing: Time to test it!

[Skoal]

Re: Need some subjob advice lvl 61+

Since drg has no natural magic skills, you will be using a skill half your level whne /drk. I have read on these boards that a few people consider /drk a valid sub. Help me clear a few things up please. What is the %of hp and att you get from souleater as a drk main as opposed to sub? How much hate does last resort and souleater give you when drk is subbed?

[Kailea]

Re: Need some subjob advice lvl 61+

thats the thing, as a DRG/DRK you egnore your spells unless trying to get healing breath to go off, or use the MP for a Rune Weapon :p the point of /DRK is that it gives more base STR and att then WAR does as a sub, and the abilitys are nice as well (you get 2 att+ abilities rather then one) and on top of that weapon bash


Lets not get into another subjob war -.- leave that in Brakki's guide thread :p
lets just leave it at

"it can be used as a sub, but most do not"

[Vyuru]

Re: Need some subjob advice lvl 61+

What is the %of hp and att you get from souleater as a drk main as opposed to sub?

Not entirely sure on this, but I think the effectiveness of souleater is either cut in half or 1/4 the power it normally is with drk subbed. I don't have dark knight unlocked, so I don't know.

I was mostly just curious about it if I ever wanted to use a Rune weapon, which is entirely possible. Also, I asked about the absorb spells because while I wouldn't plan on using them 24/7, they could be nice. I know alot of people say the absorb spells aren't useful, and by themselves, yes I would agree. But stack Dia II, the Blm -vit spell, and absorb vit, and that monster is in a world of hurt. Anyone of those spells by themselves don't make a big noticable difference, but stacked is another thing.

Plus absorb mind would be helpfull for the mages to help their nukes hit harder/less chance of a resist.

I know I wouldn't be casting alot of spells, or have a good chance that they would be effective, it's more of a sub job perk.

Also, another quick question, if I say sub drk and I have a mixed wyvern, will my wyvern heal other people when I wear my AF helm, or is it still just me?

Most likely I'd go with a warrior sub anyways, but I can see a number of instances where /drk might be useful.

[Suichi]

Re: Need some subjob advice lvl 61+

/THF is perfect for making Light, which is what Dragoons do 66+.

[Skoal]

Re: Need some subjob advice lvl 61+

The op is asking about benefits of other subjobs besides war. I'm gonna break it down for you. I am gonna list the subs, the ja's and traits you get and the base str, dex and hp you get from each. This is based of hume level 65.

War
Str 67, Dex 58, Hp 1150
JA's
Provoke, Berserk, Defender
Traits
Def up, resist poison, double attack, phys att up

Thf
Str 63, Dex 60, HP 1118
JA's
Steal, Sneak Attack, Flee, Trick Attack
Traits
Gil Finder, Evasion Up I, Treasure Hunter, Resist Gravity, Evaion Up II

Sam
Str 67, Dex 58, HP 1150
JA's
Demon Circle, Third Eye, Meditate (60 tp for sub)
Traits
Resist Blind, Store Tp

DRK
Str 67, Dex 58 HP 1134
JA's
Arcane Circle, Last Resort, Weapon Bash, Souleater
Traits
Att up I, Resist Paralyze, Arcana Killer, Att up II

This is just what each sub look like on paper. Please also take in account this is for a melee drg and not one that may be needed for back up healing. It is possilbe for /drk to heal yourself at 33% with af helm. I still would like to know the % of hp and att and also the hate generated from drk sub. I cannot test out drk sub since its only 15 so any help would be apprecitated.

Double Post Edited:
Sorry Vyuru did't see your post on souleater before I replied. I think the reason why absorb spell are ineffective is that they may be resisted and awful lot. One quick not, Drgs get Wheeling Thrust at 65 which is used to open light.

edit: changed that /drk heals you and not a party member

[Brayden]

Re: Need some subjob advice lvl 61+

I think I was asked once to actually /thf for an exp pt. It seems more often than not during those lvls, I was in a PT with a thf who wanted me to have provoke in order to help set him up for SATA WS. Ive always been /war with drg. This isnt to say you shouldnt have other options, and having them will definatly make you a more rounded DD and player. If you have time, I'd suggest working on /thf first, then if you're wild about it, try working on /drk or what have you (though I would pick /sam personally before /drk) /sam will/can be very useful when you get to Dynamis.

[Spinnthrift]

Re: Need some subjob advice lvl 61+

/drk is self targetting only as far as I'm aware, although I may be proven wrong on that.

You can't heal others with it - which is a bit meh.

edit: When I messed about with /Brd a little (Brd is 14) I didn't see it heal others, and last party I had with a Drg/Brd I didn't notice it heal others. And it's the same type Wyvern as /Drk. But I might be wrong.

- Sae.

[Kailea]

Re: Need some subjob advice lvl 61+

you are right Spinnthrift, when a Wyvern is in combo mode, you can only heal yoursef with Healing breath

[Vyuru]

Re: Need some subjob advice lvl 61+

also the hate generated from drk sub.

I've heard that the hate generated from the job abilities stays the same. Also, I just saw that Last Resort lasts only 30 seconds, I thought it was longer than that.

/drk is self targetting only as far as I'm aware, although I may be proven wrong on that.

You can't heal others with it - which is a bit meh.

So even with the AF helm your wyvern won't heal anyone other than you? That's too bad :/

I think I was asked once to actually /thf for an exp pt. It seems more often than not during those lvls, I was in a PT with a thf who wanted me to have provoke in order to help set him up for SATA WS.

Was this after or before thief got the Assassin job trait? Thfs will always have a place in my parties, so it is kinda important to me to provide the backup they may require.

I like my thiefs

And because 99% of the time, I will probably have a thf in my party, that just makes me want to sub warrior all the more. There are some nice drk job traits/abilities/spells that I would really like to have, but I don't think I could make it work right now. At about level 71, I plan on getting that set of assualt armor that gives a ton of +acc, so with that, and meat dishes, I might be able to think about trying /drk as a sub.

[Lmnop]

Re: Need some subjob advice lvl 61+

Re: Stats

DRK and WAR have same STR growth, they should be the same as indicated by Skoal's numbers.

However, that's some sort of stat calculator at work, right? I have a feeling the STR from /sam is off. And the HP. I'm not going to say i'm certain it is, but it definately doesn't seem right...

[Skoal]

Re: Need some subjob advice lvl 61+

Yes it is a calculator. The best way to test this is with somone who has all these subs leveled. Unfortunately I do not so I have to resort to a stat calculator. If there is anything false in my posts just let me know and I will change them.