The Brakki Dragoon Guide

[Kailea]

Re: The Brakki Dragoon Guide

Spinnthrift, I dont mine windower itself, nor EXP watch, but the distance, map plugins should not be used also , my advice was not sucky, I use my methed all the time and I am doing great. Your DRG experiance... even I would have said something to that persons... there are limits what what you dont have to equip -.- and I know I dont get badmouthed because I dont do anything wrong, I do what I am supost to in a party, slap things around with a lance.

and to be honest Stockyboy I want this guide not only locked.....but destroyed.......

and yeah right now I am acualy useing a ACC gear ATT food setup, going away from my norm, but only have +34 ACC, and I hit fine, I dont need 50+ acc -.-

I would rather my ATT gear/ ACC food setup, but I wil lhave to wait till 70 to go back to it :p

[Stockyboy]

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Then i'm sure your opinion is one of many, but opinions are opinions, and thank god you're not a mod, and destroy a perfectly good guide.

Just because somebody bashes a job, even though they play it, doesn't mean they are a bad player.

Terrible thing pride is.

[Spinnthrift]

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I used it when I learned to play Dragoon, added in my own little twists... and mostly had nothing but the comments (from mostly very twinked JP's and a few very respected Phoenix players).

"Damn, I didn't realise Dragoon could parse 45% of a parties damage while being the lowest member of the party" (they counted Eisen's damage as mine - and this was vs a War, a Thf and a Dark Knight who used SE/LR/Zerk nonstop just to keep up with me).

"Damn, didn't realise Dragoon could outdamage an overnuking Blm - without dying. You're 3 levels lower than her as well!!"

and so on...

The other party members weren't badly geared either... And when I started to play Drg, I got told the words: "LOLDRG", "You can't do this as your gimp", "Play another job".

Followed a guide that said how to not be gimp. Got repeat invites. Stand by said guide now. Do I like the commentary by said people's on the guide? Not especially. Do I believe that the guide needs to be updated to reflect the new gear available in ToAU - definately. Would I tell a new Dragoon to read it and learn it and live it - then go experiment when they are confident in what they're doing.

Also definately.

- Saeriel.

[Stockyboy]

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Drgs with the right gear can outparse a lot. Look up Peepster. Look at his equip and food. He outparsed me as Drk, the Thf and the Nin.

But dayum, you gotta lol at that purple armour, especially when you put the AJ in there, orange and purple doesn't mix people.

[Brakki]

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I would update it with stuff from ToAU, but it'd be mere conjecture. I've only played sporadically since March. Not long ago, I decided to stop playing. But you know how that goes. I've been talking to a friend, and we discussed merging some Linkshells and getting friends back together, and if that gets in motion and works, I'll probably start playing again and pick up ToAU and update the BDG.

[Spinnthrift]

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Price wise - the Akinji Peti is still cheaper than the SH, and +6 acc/+6 attack while not strictly as good (accuracy wise) as +10 acc from SH, must be worth considering as a viable replacement - currently at a difference between 4 mill for the Akinji and 10 mill for the SH, I could get a lot of gear for 6 mill...

But - again, as I don't have an SH yet, it's also just conjecture. ^^

- Saeriel.

[Vyuru]

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Ahhh, another final done with, one more to go.

>>Vyuru
i don't know this ircgeek, but ryko does indeed know alot. you just have to get past his "personality"

Well, I'm afraid that almost all of Ryko's posts that I ever read was bashing somebody/cowbelling a topic, so I have not really seen any useful posts from Ryko.

Get to party.. and the Dragoon is naked, and using a spear type weapon (not a lance).

Isn't there some discussion about if the Royal Squire's halberd at level 28 is better than a platoon lance? Since she was not wearing armor, I'm willing to guess that she wasn't using one, but even so. If someone is doing something differently than you it might be a good idea to ask why. I went with +dex gear up to about level 50, odd choice of armor? Heck yeah, and I did get alot of comments about it. But when a mithra dragoon wears as much dex as your common thief, she's gonna critical like a thief too, my party members seeing me doing about 4+ critical hits/fight with a two handed weapon changed their minds kinda fast.

and to be honest Stockyboy I want this guide not only locked.....but destroyed.......

No, leave the guide be. It is a very well written guide, the equipment section could use some updating, and more besides just the ToAU stuff, there's some CoP stuff that is not in there that probably should (narashimu's vest for instance). The guide also has an excellent partying guide, it gets the basics of partying down, and while I might recommend a few changes to that, it is more a matter of preference as to classes of jobs go into what party slots. For example instead of a nuker slot I have a heavy DD slot, filled by blm, rdm, smn, rng.

If you upgrade the guide, you might want to talk about Enky bracelets vs spike gauntlets, and Enky bracelets vs those level 40 ones. Yeah Eky bracelets are a bit better, but if you do alot of level 40 capped stuff, you might want the level 40 ones instead.

[sevenpointflaw]

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Rykoshet has every single melee damage dealing class at 75.

ircgeek has a DRG that is 60+

That picture was taken as a joke. People who go to GameFAQs get it.



Why not farm/craft/BCNM rather than subject yourself to such a crappy ass party. You get no cookies because you could have actually done something useful with your time.

I don't subject myself to crappy ass parties. I leave crappy ass parties. Please don't tell me that is a crappy ass party because -you- weren't there and -I- was. I don't see anything wrong 5k/6k an hour mid-level (prior to XP rings). I'll agree it is perhaps not the best, but 5k/6k an hour is nothing to sneeze at and is far from crappy ass.

Just because I happen to have -actual- experience that refutes your claim doesn't mean my experience is worthless.

[Spinnthrift]

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Isn't there some discussion about if the Royal Squire's halberd at level 28 is better than a platoon lance?

Lvl 28 - Military Spear...

Erm... it's a funny thing... I'm not convinced of the Military Spear vs Plat Lance...

Level 34 - you get the Kingdom Halberd, which gives +4 acc (situationally) vs the Lance/+1... damage vs accuracy... probably can be argued till the cows come home and go back out again.

If someone is doing something differently than you it might be a good idea to ask why.

There's a difference to someone wearing different armour - than to being naked. Like, naked. Like - nonexistent gear bar a weapon. I'm all for people thinking and doing funky stuff... but this isn't someone trying to get results a different way... this is like, naked mooching off my pimpness - and damn I am pimp* ^^-b.

Sadly though - with the rest of the party being really well equipped and the PL tanking... we actually made fairly decent Exp... which is really gutting.

- Saeriel

edit: *and by pimp, I mean... Taru are just cutaru. Especially me. Trust me... I have all the Manthra's doting on me, cos I just run in circles around them all day long. And the Galka too... I mean, if I'd spent half the time I have levelling, instead of running in circles around stuff when I'm thinking of what to do next.. I'd have two jobs at level 75. Literally. Last dead body in Jeuno I "found" I spent fourty five minutes circling. Yes - fourty five minutes. I did get some odd looks and a lot more tells from that. Even got a few Whm's try and raise the person just so I'd stop. And Jeuno Guide Stone is always appealling. Trust me... with the amount of laps I do around stuff, I'm one healthy pimparu cutaru. .

Damn... remind me to stop being bored at work. It's not fun. And I add stuff like this to posts. Still... the running in circles is fun.

[Stockyboy]

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You run around in circles too muchga! D:

[Spinnthrift]

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Page claimed in the name of orbitting things and good guides!

[Stockyboy]

Re: The Brakki Dragoon Guide

You Got Thar Ding W.

In other news; You can see - that even as a Thf, Sae retains his ultimate Dragoon claiming skillz.

[Skoal]

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Sevenpoint: Maybe Brakki viewed your party as crappy because you lacked blm for mbs or a dispeller. If you were fighting crabs, beetles, crawlers w/o dispel it generally takes a little longer.

Some people are proud of their characters and have put alot of real life time in this game. This may explain why they want to be the best. I look at my drg as a fun project. The more effort I put in, the more I get out of it. Its the same way in rl. At my job I could half ass it and still make enough money to pay my bills and no one would say anything to me. On the other hand I can put some effort towards it and make a nice living and go home at night knowing I worked hard.

Like I said on the first page of this thread, Brakki says things about drg that people don't want to hear.

[sevenpointflaw]

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There's a difference between a blanket statement like, "/WHM doesn't work in an XP party" and wanting to be the best. But it is a simple fact of life that sometimes, the "best" isn't an option. If you're putting together an XP party, and your choices are limited but not neccessarily bad, then whats wrong with that? Just because something isn't good, doesn't mean its bad either, and just because Brakki (or anyone for that matter) doesn't like a particular thing doesn't mean it sucks ass.

He can say all he wants about DRG, liked or unliked. It doesn't change the fact I have personal experiences that refute his broad sweeping, blanket statements.

Its good to be proud - i'm proud of my character - and it good to want to be the best. So do I... which is why I spent 12mil on a nobles tunic before I leveled up again after dinging 68 (thank god for V-Claw drops!). But -that- doesn't change the fact that you can't always be the best. Somtimes, you just have to settle for average because, well, that's the way the world works. And I honest to god fail to see how average is a bad thing (though admitedly it isn't neccessarily a good one either).

Point is, blanket statement. Sweeping generalizations. Experience says otherwise. At least have the courtesty to acknowledge it instead of getting all huffy about it.

2cent.

[Skoal]

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I will assume that were not talking to me about being huffy, since my post was mostly about the way I play the game.

I don't generally argue with people on a board. Having discussions on pros and cons only helps people see both sides of it.

I think we all have to remember this is a guide not a step by step way to play drg 24/7. I assume most people read guides to get a general idea of what is going on, then expirement with different things. After that, people will come up with their style of play.

This thread could have been a good discussion, but early on personal feelings towards the author seemed to affect it.