The Brakki Dragoon Guide

[Ellipses]

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http://gallery.essthree.net/albums/userpics/10001/normal_drgcantwearaccgear.jpg.jpg

You do expect people to catch the syntax error, right?

/equip head "Optical Hat"

You get a different error message ("You were unable to change your equipped items" or something) when you write the line correctly but can't wear the gear.

[Kailea]

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heh yeah I just noticed that, did not catch it the first time around.....

[neighbortaru]

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but yes people that bash a job class, half the time do not know what the heck they are talking about.

but in this case, Rykoshet knows what the heck he is talking about

Edit:
I should clarify, Ryko has at least 3 melee jobs at 75 and his DRG is 60+

[Brakki]

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Rykoshet has every single melee damage dealing class at 75.

ircgeek has a DRG that is 60+

That picture was taken as a joke. People who go to GameFAQs get it.

War/Nin (tank, only one utsu)
Mnk/War (dd / backup tank)
Sam/War (dd)
Sam/War (dd, puller)
Drg/Whm (DD / backup heal)
Whm/Blm (main heal, enfeeble)

The basic setup was that I would enfeeble for first part of battle until tank got low, then DRG would bust out healing breath on tank. At that point enfeeble cycle was in place, and I would get tank back up to full before switching back to enfeeble cycle. With the downtime in healing caused by the enfeeble cycle I never maintained enough enmity to steal hate, but the party didn't suffer from lack of cures during my enfeeble cycle.

Can I have a cookie now?

Why not farm/craft/BCNM rather than subject yourself to such a crappy ass party. You get no cookies because you could have actually done something useful with your time.

[Vyuru]

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I should clarify, Ryko has at least 3 melee jobs at 75 and his DRG is 60+

Yes, but when someone makes a post asking for advice on alchemy, and I respond to that poster, then Rykoshet writes in response to my post, "lol, he's a dragoon, what does he know?" He loses all credibility.

When that one poster made a post that said he and his wife loved dragoon, and their 3 kids liked other jobs, so that they were interested in going 2x drg/mage, 3x other jobs (forget what they were) and knew this wasn't the optimal setup and were asking for advice, only to have Rykoshet and Ircgeek reply with, "Mog House >>> Change job >>> Ranger" and, "Lol, 5 people is hardly optimal for a party setup" I couldn't care less how many jobs you have at 75. You are an ass and have lost all credibility.

You qoute Ircgeek? The same one who wrote the infamous guide on dragoons, that basically said that they could not equip any + acc gear, or +str gear, and that they were uber gimps until they got the Gugnir, in which case they became mere gimps?

Which goes for you too Brakki, your first "dragoon guide" as I recall listed SH+1 as "necessary", your first guide basically told people that they were gimped if they didn't have +1 gear.

You say that you started trolling when you got frustrated with the community, and I'm sorry but I cannot respect you for that, and once again, you have lost all credibility to me. You became no better than Clicker, you started flame wars, you trolled Allakhazam.

The sad thing is that you could have been a very respected member of the dragoon forums, but after seeing what you have done in the past, and who you decide to qoute as reliable sources, just leads me to question if you even know what you are talking about.

Just because someone bashes the job you play doesn't mean they're wrong.

Spoilers: They're not.

Oh, so the Ircgeek dragoon bashing equipment guide WASN'T wrong? We can't wear a life belt, venerer rings, merman's gorgets, and all those other spiffy pieces of gear? I'd better unequip them then.

Spoilers: Never speak in absolutes and act like that is the only way it is. People have an agenda to fulfill when they write something, and they will write to prove that they are right. Just look at all the stupid threads that used to be up about smn > whm as main healer, written mainly by people who had not played either of those two jobs as I recall.

Double Post Edited:

Rykoshet has every single melee damage dealing class at 75.

ircgeek has a DRG that is 60+

Just because Rykoshet has every single melee damage dealing class at 75, doesn't make him an expert on it, I would take Enmity's advice over Rykoshet's any day of the week, you have not seen damage dealing until you have seen Enmity in action.

And last I recall, Ircgeek had a dragoon in the 61ish dragoon, I would hardly call him an expert and that we should all follow his sagely advice.

Seyonne is a dragoon expert, Ircgeek is not.

[Stockyboy]

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Experience is the best knoweldge a person can have.

EDIT: Woo ding >_>;

[Brakki]

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Yes, but when someone makes a post asking for advice on alchemy, and I respond to that poster, then Rykoshet writes in response to my post, "lol, he's a dragoon, what does he know?" He loses all credibility.

When that one poster made a post that said he and his wife loved dragoon, and their 3 kids liked other jobs, so that they were interested in going 2x drg/mage, 3x other jobs (forget what they were) and knew this wasn't the optimal setup and were asking for advice, only to have Rykoshet and Ircgeek reply with, "Mog House >>> Change job >>> Ranger" and, "Lol, 5 people is hardly optimal for a party setup" I couldn't care less how many jobs you have at 75. You are an ass and have lost all credibility.

You qoute Ircgeek? The same one who wrote the infamous guide on dragoons, that basically said that they could not equip any + acc gear, or +str gear, and that they were uber gimps until they got the Gugnir, in which case they became mere gimps?

Which goes for you too Brakki, your first "dragoon guide" as I recall listed SH+1 as "necessary", your first guide basically told people that they were gimped if they didn't have +1 gear.

You say that you started trolling when you got frustrated with the community, and I'm sorry but I cannot respect you for that, and once again, you have lost all credibility to me. You became no better than Clicker, you started flame wars, you trolled Allakhazam.

The sad thing is that you could have been a very respected member of the dragoon forums, but after seeing what you have done in the past, and who you decide to qoute as reliable sources, just leads me to question if you even know what you are talking about.



Oh, so the Ircgeek dragoon bashing equipment guide WASN'T wrong? We can't wear a life belt, venerer rings, merman's gorgets, and all those other spiffy pieces of gear? I'd better unequip them then.

Spoilers: Never speak in absolutes and act like that is the only way it is. People have an agenda to fulfill when they write something, and they will write to prove that they are right. Just look at all the stupid threads that used to be up about smn > whm as main healer, written mainly by people who had not played either of those two jobs as I recall.

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Just because Rykoshet has every single melee damage dealing class at 75, doesn't make him an expert on it, I would take Enmity's advice over Rykoshet's any day of the week, you have not seen damage dealing until you have seen Enmity in action.

And last I recall, Ircgeek had a dragoon in the 61ish dragoon, I would hardly call him an expert and that we should all follow his sagely advice.

Seyonne is a dragoon expert, Ircgeek is not.

I already showed that Dragoons can't wear accuracy gear earlier in this topic.

Ryko and ircgeek still know more and are better at this game than you. irc's DRG guide once got over 400 posts; that in and of itself assures of its validity.

Stop trying to troll here and go back to selling gil.

kthxbai

[neighbortaru]

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ok stop with the attacks or we'll close the thread

>>Vyuru
i don't know this ircgeek, but ryko does indeed know alot. you just have to get past his "personality"

[Kailea]

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Vyuru is not trolling, you are Brakki, they way you are telling people to play DRG is rediculace, and you attacking others that dont agree with you is makeing it more aparent that you are not a nice person....... the "guide was your first post and all your others have been attacks or arguments, please just go back to Ala

you dont need +1 stuff......

DRG gets ACC pluss gear at level 14 (Battle gloves) but ACC is not really needed until around 30 anyway

there are two main ways to play DRG..... all out DD (acc gear and attack food) or DoT/backup healer (ATT gear ACC food with mage sub)

"Gimp" is an opinion most of the time, I do not see myself as gimp at all, I do well in PTs no matter what I sub, and no one I have PTed with has ever complained.

This game is played for FUN, the way you want others to play is WORK

[Brakki]

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Let me just put it this way. I didn't say anything to this guy.

[DakAttack]

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irc's DRG guide once got over 400 posts; that in and of itself assures of its validity.

It all makes sense now... Brakki thinks trolling his thread's post count will make his guide more valid?

[Kailea]

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ok and your point...... all you are showing is how much you hore out windower.... you should really stop using all those plugins

[Spinnthrift]

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Kailea - let me give you an example of something that happened recently to me...

I was playing Blue Mage - levelling it up as I was bored, and I was out solo'ing - when I got an invite. My flag wasn't up, but I get invites a lot (for every other job than Thf - don't ask). So I think ok... I can go do this. Ask the Dragoon (who was leading the party) - what role they wanted me to play.. they said a DD role, and to /Smn. As Blue Mage. I tell a small white lie and say I can't, but if they're looking to maximise my role as a DD, /Rng or /Drg or /Drk would be of use. Got told just to sub anything bar Warrior... and to hurry up.

Get to party.. and the Dragoon is naked, and using a spear type weapon (not a lance). I don't say anything in the party about this. I just think to myself.. well.. it's exp, and I don't have to take things too seriously, and well - I don't have to party with this person again.

Lo and behold - my DoT is greater from swinging swords alone, let's not even go into my spell damage...

Why didn't I walk away immediately? I'm a sucker for punishment... and part of me really wanted to see her die from the inevitable links you get in Yuhtunga.

Her damage sucked, whenever she had hate - her health dropped like a stone, only reason she survived more than 30 seconds was because of the PL cure bombing and tanking.

Did I call her gimp to her face? No. Did I laugh at this horrid horrid abuse of a job I loved? Yes. Would I invite this person to a party I made - even if they are rank 10? Never ever ever. I took my exp, got a macabre giggle and made a mental note never to have dealings with that person again.

That's why you follow the basic advice given in this guide. Be a Dragoon, do some damage, have people pleasently suprised. Get repeat invites.

I know it ruffles your sensibilities Kailea - but, I wasn't the only person to not say a word regarding this Dragoon's behaviour. We all didn't say a word in party. Most people won't call you useless to your face, just make note and never deal with you again.

No one says you must have SH+1 and Peacock Charm and two Snipers +1 and to be worth a slot in a party. NO ONE here is saying that at all. What we're saying - is we want our DD's to be just that, and make the required effort to be worth that slot. What that is to everyone is slightly different. Dragoon is a DD job. We don't put out amazing DoT and we sure don't put out amazing spike.

Yes - Dragoon *can* be versatile - but for the basic bog standard ordinary, straight up - straight down, honest to God - EXP Grind... we're DD's. We can put out damage without care for ourselves as we can shed hate, making us not an additional burden on the healers. We can open desirable skillchains, and we make excellent SATA partners.

Outside of the grind - Dragoon isn't a set formulae. But this guide isn't about how to make use of Dragoon in various scenarios.. it's about being worth that 'slot'. It's the difference between 1 > Pre KRT Monk and Post KRT Monk. I know Whm can make an excellent DD, when geared and played right - however, for 90% of my time when I level Whm, I don't try and fill a DD role - I play healer. Missions/BCNM/quest etc... it all changes.

The basic grind != non standard formations.

Ok - putting it a way that might be understandable. War/Whm in exp sucks - yet it's a favoured tank for CoP Wyrms. Monk/Whm in exp sucks - yet it's used in HNM's to max out Chi damage. Rdm/Nin in exp is a no-no, yet it's an amazing solo combination. Whm/Nin makes an amazing dd/healer/backup tank - yet guess what - you don't use it in exp (unless you count the Princess Whm parties in KRT - but you're not at that level yet, and neither am I).

Stop bashing a solid guide. Don't like the person who wrote it? Fine, I don't much have any love for Brakki either. Don't post bad advice though while saying this guide is bad, because it isn't.

- Saeriel.

Oh, and if you want to whine about Windower - speak to your LS leader first Kailea. I don't mind Ayasu using ExpWatch and the graphical enhancement plugins and stuff... but from everything I can tell, your LS didn't have a bad view of using the Windower.

[Dragonly]

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You said ryko adn icrgeek has it at 61 or something, not even high enough for wheeling thrust so their advice for DRG is nothing. Icrgeeks stupid guide only got 400+ post plus cause it was half bashing/half flaming.

Just because someone has multiple 75 jobs doesnt make them a expert. Means 1. No life or 2. they static with friends and when you level like that you go much faster.

I would have to semi agree with spin, you should always play DD in exp, I do and I only use /whm for quests and such but i do not deny that /whm in exp can't be good it does depend on what your fighting. I don't agree with saying that this guide is a soild one.

[Stockyboy]

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All I see is a point scoring contest between Kailea and Impaction vs Brakki, and I have something to say.

Don't like it, don't try to change it. State what you think is wrong, make one informed post, and go back to playing. If you all have a personal issue, take it to PMs before this informative guide is locked.