Dragon slayers? More like...

[DakAttack]

Avatar slayers. I have never died in an avatar fight, but I've seen countless Ninjas, Paladins, Warriors, Monks, and other jobs that were reknowned for their tanking ability or survivablity take a dirt nap whenever the avatar uses their two-hour ability. I've seen these two-hour abilities do upwards of around 2000 damage. Who can possibly survive this? Dragoons can with Super Jump. We're the only DD out there that you can trust to live through the two-hour and continue dealing damage.

Whenever you're fighting an avatar always get in your Super Jump macro mashing position around 50% health. It won't use the two-hour before, but it can and will anytime after. Ask your party what the names are, because I can't remember them off the top of my head, and watch for it. When you see it Super Jump and hope at least a mage that can heal survives.

I've got my Moon Bauble and I can't wait to kill Fenrir. I'm mostly worried people wont need a Dragoon, but seeing as how we're the only job that can easily survive his two-hour I would think we'd be at the top of the list.

[Sevv]

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i have been asked into many avatar fights but they want me as a refresher/dd they want me to sub bard so that i can cast rehresh then dd ; ;

[DeathFromAbove]

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who would ask a lvl 56/7 drg? Lol, i know i wouldnt....

[Sevv]

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because they need a refresher lmao, and i always help out ppl on the server

[Pyro Elf]

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Bar-whatever is your friend XD

We did Avatars as 60s with those spells...

[Zempten]

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How can you possible deal the DMG to the avatar after it's 2 hour is over, unless it's almost dead?

Do you mean the tank is down and only you and your healers are alive? or do you mean the tank is down and only you, DDs, and your healers are alive?

If either is the case, I don't see how your able to kill it without the hate bouncing all over the place as most DDs don't have the means to keep hate with healers throwing heals all over the place. The only DMG I have seen that can keep hate is from a BLM. Perhaps I'm mistaken and you can elaborate for me please.

Fenrir is a fun fight. It can be frustrating at first, but you get into the swing of things.

[Jei]

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the avatar's 2 hr are so random... as a 75 rdm, i've been hit by leviathan's 2hr as high as 1600+ and as low as 0 -.- everytime with bar and stoneskin,,,

[Kafeen]

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How can you possible deal the DMG to the avatar after it's 2 hour is over, unless it's almost dead?

Do you mean the tank is down and only you and your healers are alive? or do you mean the tank is down and only you, DDs, and your healers are alive?

If either is the case, I don't see how your able to kill it without the hate bouncing all over the place as most DDs don't have the means to keep hate with healers throwing heals all over the place. The only DMG I have seen that can keep hate is from a BLM. Perhaps I'm mistaken and you can elaborate for me please.

Fenrir is a fun fight. It can be frustrating at first, but you get into the swing of things.

It depends who you have left. The first time I fought Shiva our PLD died to her 2 hour. The BLM thought we were dead and zoned out. A JP MNK we had 2 houred to grab hate while me (RDM), the WHM and BRD kept him healed. We raised the PLD just before we killed Shiva and all but the BLM got it. Served him right for running away.

DRG might not have the best armour, but neither do MNKs, as long as they can get hate and keep it nothing's impossable.

[Zempten]

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Okay, a MNK's 2hr is a bit different. The hate generated by that is quite high and I'm assumming Asuran Fist (sp?).

How is DRG's DMG against avatars btw?

[EDIT]
Speaking of the avatar's 2hr, has anyone noticed that Fencer's Earring helps a bit? I don't have any raw data to prove it, but it seems I haven't died since I've used it.

[DakAttack]

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I can reliably do about 80 damage per swing at 69. Unfortunately Wheeling Thrust does about 200 damage, and Penta Thrust does about 400 which is about 5% of their total health. The wyvern does about 15-30 damage normally.

[lionx]

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So..i am just curious...why is Wheeling that low? Isnt it "Ignores DEF"? Or is there something i missed? ;o

Generally speaking i feel that YES you can Super Jump it...but if everyone else dies its not like its going to make a huge difference. Especially vs Fenrir besides a chance to high tail out of there. If for example you Super Jump even vs a normal avatar, the mages if they live will take all the hate there is and get pwnt unless you can somehow quickly reach back up the hate ladder(that is..assuming everyone else is dead beside you and the said mage). But you MIGHT be able to tank a few Avatars...they are quite easy...but Fenrir..no.

[Intensity]

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So you Super Jump at 50% after the 2 hour wipes out your tank, you shed the hate you have stocked, what happens when the Avatar goes gunning for the mages? I thought Super Jumped wiped all hate from the DRG. If that's the case, how are you gonna get hate back from the BLM that's been nuking the whole fight or the WHM that's been keeping everyone alive?

[Balfree]

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Better than dieing and have no chance at all?

[DeathFromAbove]

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So you Super Jump at 50% after the 2 hour wipes out your tank, you shed the hate you have stocked, what happens when the Avatar goes gunning for the mages? I thought Super Jumped wiped all hate from the DRG. If that's the case, how are you gonna get hate back from the BLM that's been nuking the whole fight or the WHM that's been keeping everyone alive?

I have gotten hate in the middle of fights because the tank died: and i had high-jumped ( 1/2 hate reduction) and after he fell i claimed hate just by 'voking, It seems pretty easy to get hate and hold it as long as you are dishing out DMG...

[DakAttack]

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So you Super Jump at 50% after the 2 hour wipes out your tank, you shed the hate you have stocked, what happens when the Avatar goes gunning for the mages? I thought Super Jumped wiped all hate from the DRG. If that's the case, how are you gonna get hate back from the BLM that's been nuking the whole fight or the WHM that's been keeping everyone alive?

Why don't White Mages or Black Mages ever pull hate from the tank during the fight? Hate control + hate decay over time.

I've never seen a Avatar 2hr that kills EVERYBODY, except for Fenrir's but I havn't fought him yet so I havn't seen it. If the mages know where to stand they can avoid it while the Avatar is casting it, and whoever survives standing around it lives to fight on. I toss up Defender, the Avatar is under half health, and the rest of us take it down. We can bounce hate between the surviving melee if we need to.

Edit: Wheeling Thrust is best used against IT, while Penta Thrust is best used against VT and lower that have low evasion and defense so that all five hits can land. Penta is risky against IT, but it still has the ability to do a lot of damage, whereas Wheeling Thrust is really only the best choice for IT and light skillchains.