Advanced Class Dilemma

[Naremis]

I'm having trouble trying to pick an advanced job for myself. I'm inbetween on drk and drg. I definitely want to do a lot of damage and it's my understanding that drk can do this, but they earn a lot of hate. What I'm really curious about is what advantages does a dragoon have over a dark knight, and why would a group choose a drg over a drk?

[tomc1988t]

well now people tell me drgs do more damage then drk..but i honestly dont trust the people who tell me this.....they get a 5 hit weapon skill aroudn 20 levels earlier then dark knight gets their most powerful weapon skill....umm....a lil scrawny dragon to follow you around..... purple armor and a pointy stick too -_-

[Feday]

use the search feature, this topic has been discussed like 23425252462 times =P

[Naremis]

Give me some phrases to search for and I gladly will.

[Riva]

"scrawny dragon "


Will outdamage other people in the grp who use 1 hand weapons and miss less. The above Drk poster trolls these boards and likes to put down drgs, lot of drks do this, they feel insecure i guess.

[Naremis]

I'm looking for a comparison between them and dark knights. What advantages do both have? I've looked over the forums but I haven't directly seen any references to them and damage after 60. How far will I be behind? I don't mind sacrificing some damage for jump ability and style () but I don't want to way behind dark knights. Thoughts?

[Feday]

http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/sho...threadid=26168

[tomc1988t]

how dare you riva!.....XD


lol i am just playing ok so i might dislike dragoons a lil bit so my oppinion is a bit 1 sided....but still ^_^ they both are good class'...i would like to fight with more DRGs but i cannot because they always take my spots in groups :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Riva]

I dont mean to clump you into the same catagory as some of the Drks i know Leshrac, but some of them have some major issues. They SWEAR they do 2X the damage of everything else and nothing even comes close to them. They seem to have to shout down every other class. Drks will outdamage Drg. Alot? No, a little? ya. Games need variety, would be pretty boring if there was 3 classes, tank, damage, healer.


And as for the Drgs you have grped with, up until level 34, the Drgs damage wont come close. IMO, A Drg needs to use the Lance variety of polearms, the first coming at level 34. They are 492 speed instead of 396, it adds alot of balls to attack, specially jumps and WS, which arn't effected by delay.

As for the posters question, Drk and Drg are simular, make a decision on what class you like better, as each class has its benefits. Drgs can clear their agro which can come in very handly. Darks get their damage and spells to go along with it if thats your thing. Samerais get access to alot of TP. Ninjas duel wield and use expensive Ninjitsu abilities, Thfs deal positional damage, Rangers deal crazy ass damage with bow, crossbow and gun (expensivce as hell) and Warriors get the best of both worlds (Although a bit boring Imo).

[tomc1988t]

nicely said riva.....i dont mean to put down drgs..but i am sick of them getting groups over me >_< 1 group had 2 dragoons in it and their only warrior left..there were 2 31 drks (with full 30 gear) and a dragoon with level 21 gear....and a level 24 spear....guess who got chosen ?...the dragoon =(...



drg and drk are very similar..in damage .....1 takes his own life to do damage (soul eater) the other can cure the whole group with the right subjob(wyrven/scrawny dragon ^_^)'s breath.....both have 2h weapons....both get good multi hitting weapon skills...1 has a lil more defense and 1 has a lil more attack =D

^i think i said that allright^

[Riva]

I never really use Whm Sub in grps, at level 45 it casts cure for 180, and the person has to be under 1/3 and stay under 1/3 even after I cast on it. Its great for soloing though, i just let my health get around 200 then cast cure for 8 mp, heal myself for 30 then pet throws on another 160-180.

As for the offensive pet, also at 45, its breath attacks hit for 106. It sometimes does half that, sometimes in between, but it maxes out alot. I also would rather the stat bonus, beserk and the provoke for an emergency.

Looking at your level the Drg you grp with prob do have low damage compared to you, at 34 they will get a lance (if they can find) which is pretty close in damage/speed to the one you will prob use, then it will be pretty much on par. I will never go back to a 396 speed spear ever again, it doesnt come close to the power of the Lance.

And ya, i feel your pain. Sitting there as a level 29 warrior lfg in full Chain while another War wearing lizard is in a grp, burns my ass.

[Naremis]

I read over the entire 9 page report, including all the bickering. So far, this is what I've gathered--

1.)The damage is quite similar normally and with weapon skills.

2.)DRK edges out ahead with their soul eater and last resort abilities.
2a.)However, the abilities earn a substantial amount of hate when all stacked together and combined with a weapon skill. While it might get uber damage, it's also getting uber hate.

3.)DRG wyverns, at upper levels, are pretty much worthless due to minimal damage and AoE deaths.


I'll probably end up going for DRG. I like the idea that I'll be able to do all the damage I want to and jump away the hate. Thanks for the input and links.

[Riva]

"3.)DRG wyverns, at upper levels, are pretty much worthless due to minimal damage and AoE deaths."


Not all Mobs AE. Bascially from levels 30-45, my wyvern didnt really die. Beetles in east altepa, then beetles and crawlers in crawlers nest. It is hardly minimal damage, as it will outdamage 1 hand weapon users and its breath attack will add 100 damage or so to your ws. There will be situations where the pet has no chance of living for sure, but there are also many that it will not get touched and you get that damage bonus.

[tomc1988t]

the wyrven does 1/3-1/2 of its masters average damage....so it dosnt do shitty damage.....the edge drg gets over drk is getting their best weapon skill at level 40 instead of 60 like drk =(

[Riva]

Penta is at lev 49