Why People say Dragoon suck???

[raidenn]

Damagewise you can, but playing with a party in hate control? Nope. Running away from a higher level mob and getting away alive? Nope.

Humilty ? Nope.

[Kafeen]

I never seen a DRG one shotted but a goblin's bomb either. Our RNG was taken out from full HP the other day when a goblin dropped one.

[Genuine]

Damagewise you can, but playing with a party in hate control? Nope. Running away from a higher level mob and getting away alive? Nope.

Humilty ? Nope.

Hate Control: Yes, at 60+ Sneak Attack + Trick Attack
Running away and living: Yes, /ja Flee
Humilty: No, RNG gives more to a party then DRG does, RNG can Wide Scan, hide from something (camolouge), does more damage.
DRG can hit pretty hard but not as hard, misses more often, more down time (wyvern needs to rest, even if u sacrifice HP the whm will need to heal you causing more MP causing more downtime)
DRG has more humilty when no one wants to invite them and someone checks the "LFG" search and see you there and checks again 4 hrs later and sees you there = "hahaha what a loser"


Without DRGs 2hr they are half the fighter (during a normal fight and not a fight when something goes wrong)
Without RNGs 2hr does not change a thing (during a normal fight and not a fight were something goes wrong)


so yeah, anything DRG can do, RNG can do better

Note: I have nothing against DRG but I do have something against the people who think DRG are the best and better then the highest DMG Dealing job (if played right)-RNG.



EDIT: and no, RNG's defense isnt as good as DRG but when was the last time you saw a RNG attempt to tank? Also, I havnt seen any threads asking "why do people think RNG sux!!?!????". I don't think DRG suck, they very good job, dmg wise and trick buddy wise and hate control wise, I never said they were not good, there just not AS good as RNG is all.

[Rogan]

ok I posted in it another drg thread ill post it here...

Well if you guys are wondering "why people say drg suck" etc etc here is the answer, as im getting higher up in the lvls obviously not what some consider to be high, I see that we can't compare to some other classes, at this lvl we start off with like 32k tnl, and that's pretty much a lot, people want to get it fast so a lot of parties consist of just rng, blm, rdm brds, etc. and where some have a drk for sata guillo, sam for sata yukikaze or a thf for sata DE, we aren't cared for much because for me anyways skewer does about 250-300, where there's is going up to about 450-600. I've talked to LS members they say that it is going to suck from 60+ and mostly I make my own parties, but I put up my flag for the heck of it while farming for a few hours, and not one /tell so im starting to believe them, im just going to keep making my own parties, even though they're not as good as most going on, and about wheeling thrust, that apparently is pretty shitty and only good for opening light sc's, according to them anyways but I will soon see for myself. That's pretty much all I can say for drg at this time, but as for pre 60 they do outdamage sam, drk and sometimes war.

And to tell the truth what really kills me is I've been told also, and I know for fact it's true, that a lot of HNM LS's do not accept drg, because they fail to see their damage worthwhile. This really sucks in my mind because I want to participate in endgame stuff but it is apparently going to be hard-impossible

[raidenn]

Hey dont blame Drgs for bad job design, blame Square Enix. They never changed or added anything useful.

Rangers are over powered in the damage dept. Yep just damage dealers, not hate control.

[Rogan]

I do blame SE but the thing is I've sent multiple mails and crap to them telling them the problem, even giving them links to threads and crap, personally I dont think that drg are that bad, because where I do maybe 84 a swing and the rng does 110-130 an arrow and 6-8 a dagger/fransisca, whatever, my wyvern does an unacknowledged 27 a swing, so when it adds up, yes rng do out damage them and noone should disagree with them, but they dont put them to shame the way people think, and rng have to put a lot of money into lvling where drg don't so thats part of the reason.

And to be politically correct Genuine the wyvern does about 1/3-1/4 the drg's damage. And almost never is my wyvern killed, and on the rare occasion that he is I think there's only been 2 times when my 2 hr wasnt up to recall him

[Mephisto]

you act like hate control is that vital in exp pt - with a good tank its entirely not needed. a pld with a BRD RDM backline can hold hate from rangers spamming, a good ninja with bard (and preferably smn) can also do that if they know what they're doing. sacrificing dmg for hate control is lame D; and if your tank sucks anyways, the PT is pretty crappy too ;x

[raidenn]

It is important.
Unless you have the most perfect party that you dont get add-ons, you have an amazing damage specialist and you get all the drops. Your healer never loses mana and you get all the bonus damage too.
What a perfect party isnt it? Does that happen 100% of the time?

Must be a boring game you're playing.

[csBahamut]

DRG can hit pretty hard but not as hard, misses more often, more down time (wyvern needs to rest, even if u sacrifice HP the whm will need to heal you causing more MP causing more downtime)

Actually, this isn't quite true. We had a RNG in our static with *the* best gear possible, yet he still had a hard time hitting the mobs. Hrmm...my guess is that it had something to do with not having a BRD. Yeah, something about RNGs needing BRDs to really hit... Maybe that's why RNGs are able to actually hit the gods enough to be the top teir DD, having a BRD buff them...

I wonder how well other DD would do if BRDs would dedicate their time to buffing them the best, instead of the RNG? The RNG would probably still outdamage the other DD, but not by as large an amount.

[Genuine]

Actually, this isn't quite true. We had a RNG in our static with *the* best gear possible, yet he still had a hard time hitting the mobs. Hrmm...my guess is that it had something to do with not having a BRD. Yeah, something about RNGs needing BRDs to really hit... Maybe that's why RNGs are able to actually hit the gods enough to be the top teir DD, having a BRD buff them...

Ill believe it when I see it.

[GSDragoon]

Originally posted by Genuine
Ill believe it when I see it.

They switched from +str/ranged attack gear to acc gear and was STILL whinning the entire time that they needed a BRD.

[Elsurion]

Well for one thing is, arrows costs money, so why not maximize the cost/dmg output with a bard?

If i missing every second shot, i'll use cheaper arrows/bolts.

[Kailea]

heh I love the people that still have that same mindset as most people did about a year ago......DRG is not as bad as it was said to be by the people that "tested" (yeah right) all the jobs and job combos........

[Tru]

haha

It's funny how people just keep on defending a job, if it's weak then it's weak, let it go. If you like a job play it, it don't matter what people think about you.

On Topic: DRG/WHM for HNM @_@! erh

I notice you might like to dia or something and get some healing breathe, fight against Fafnir (OH OH Dragon mob, dragoon should have advantage) and let it hurricane wing about 2 times and say bye bye to your wyvern, Dragoon are not good damage dealer neither, fight aura statues and you'll get destroy by mnk drk or rng, but i do support those that play drg, if you like the job play it

[Rogan]

Re: haha

Originally posted by Tru
It's funny how people just keep on defending a job, if it's weak then it's weak, let it go. If you like a job play it, it don't matter what people think about you.

On Topic: DRG/WHM for HNM @_@! erh

I notice you might like to dia or something and get some healing breathe, fight against Fafnir (OH OH Dragon mob, dragoon should have advantage) and let it hurricane wing about 2 times and say bye bye to your wyvern, Dragoon are not good damage dealer neither, fight aura statues and you'll get destroy by mnk drk or rng, but i do support those that play drg, if you like the job play it

hmm...noone cares.