Why People say Dragoon suck???

[Buuyon]

Originally posted by Kailea-D
by: Buuyon


I am not listening to a thing you say untill you stop talking rudely to me and insulting me.

Aww shit...sucks for me then huh?

[Ashtyr]

Originally posted by Mephisto
Why you people say Dragoon sucks?

Because in a normal 6 man EXP setting, they do.

Yeah, uhm, instead of jumping on the bandwagon, maybe you should hop on the Get a Clue train. Lower and mid levels DRGs are incredibly efficient damage dealers. The reason they fall behind later on is a combination of equipment unavailable to them and the lack of any decent Weapon Skills besides Wheeling Thrust.

[Elsurion]

My personal beef with the DRG is, that i'm not sure if i'm supporting a Gilseller or not.

Around 80% of the Gilsellers i know are DRG. Also i won't join ever a party made by a Low Rank DRG unless in his comment stays something like (Bastok) R6 etc.

But i have to say, for me as THF is a DRG better then a DRK as a Trickbuddy, not only the Jump but also the no -DEF Gear that the DRKs using. A DRG can hold more hits then a DRK before he gets nailed.

You need sometimes a bit more time for SATAn when the mage or bard casting songs on you at the beginning what will you freeze for a second.

[Yokai]

I have yet to his this magical "Drg = suck" lvl..

I have a lvl 75 HNM Drg "friend" who yields much respect in his HNM LS. I don't see him or anyone else complaining about his Dmg. (of course, he has Drk,Rdm,Thf,Sam,and War lvld to 37 and he uses them depending on what is needed of him)

80% of my PT invites come from 3.5-4k/hr JP PTs... none of them complain.

I think this whole "Drg suck" crap, is nothing but hot air, fueled by misinformation and ignorance. It's really funny how people ignore DoT (mostly NA, which I guess makes perfect sense. It's like they see that one "BIG hit" and forget about the 2 smaller hits that add up to out-Dmg it).

Everyone I confront who says "Drg suck", usually either had one or two bad experiences with very-very Gimped Drgs (no Acc gear, no skill) , or they turn out to be complete (and usually defensive) Asshats that have no idea what they are talking about. And no proof to support their claim.

I'm tired of this mentality... you would think by lvl 60+ people would know better.

I do find amusement in people that talk mad shit in /p when I'm invited, then stfu when I pull out 100%TP to their 45%, WS then still beat them to 100% for the SC. Or when I still pull hate in Pld, Drk or Rng, Blm, Whm, Rdm or Brd, PTs @ lvl 61. I out-dmg most DD with Wyvern Dmg...so when am I gonna feel the burden of sucking so bad?

stop talking shit and --> PROOVE IT :mad:

[Mephisto]

how can we prove it in words on a forum other than giving our opinions?

[GSDragoon]

Nobody commented on my parsers?

I agree with the "BIG hit" comment.

What people usually see:

DRG uses Wheeling Thrust
Mob takes 450 points of dmg
DRK uses Spinning Slash
Mob takes 900 points of dmg
SC: Light!
Mob takes 900 points of dmg

And that's all they see. First of all, you can do SC dmg without another person. You can't include that in their dmg. Wyvern may die a lot on strong AE mobs, but when it's there, it does well. But honestly, people won't change their minds. If they think DRG sucks, there's nothing you can do. No point in wasting your time.

[Mephisto]

Ekoh (DRK/THF)
Total Fights: 66
Average Damage: 1130.53
Average Percent: 25.38
Average Accuracy: 74.58

Kainhighwind (DRG/WAR) me
Total Fights: 66
Average Damage: 1219.97
Average Percent: 28.01
Average Accuracy: 82.40

Do that with DRK/WAR and it will be TOTALLY different. DRK/THF closes renkei, to lock hate on tank. /WAR gives berserk and double attack to a DRK, /THF makes them do 500 extra dmg each renkei.... you CAN NOT compare /THF to /WAR, they have totally different purposes.

[SelfdestButton]

Actually you can compare! Thats like saying you cant compare a drg/war to a rng/nin because the rng/nin has to sub nin to stay alive. It's nigh on a strategic necessity, so it's free game to flak it down as a disadvantage.
You also seem to be neglecting Gs' un posted wyvern damage, which going on my own experience could've done anywhere from 300-400 damage. Do you honestly think that Drk/war has such a substantial advantage in DoT as to be able to overcome that?

[GSDragoon]

Originally posted by Mephisto
Do that with DRK/WAR and it will be TOTALLY different. DRK/THF closes renkei, to lock hate on tank. /WAR gives berserk and double attack to a DRK, /THF makes them do 500 extra dmg each renkei.... you CAN NOT compare /THF to /WAR, they have totally different purposes.

How many DRK/WAR 67+ have you leveled with? Would you rather have a DRK/WAR or DRK/THF in your party?

Oh, and the reason why I didn't post the wyvern dmg is because it was pretty much dead the whole time. I can try the parser again with the wyvern as we'll be leveling off Tormentors.

[Mephisto]

the point is that DRK/THF is for hate control. DRG is dot. go parse DRG/THF vs DRK/THF and DRK will win.

[SelfdestButton]

Actually your point was that drk/war would've destroyed said drg in DoT. It failed.
Before that, your point was that drg sucked in typical six person pts. That ALSO seems to be failing. Now you're saying that the credibility of drk/thf is untouchable because they perform hate control. GG, from ub4r damage dealer to niche strategic job. Hows about actually conceding to what's right in front of your face?

[Slade]

Originally posted by Mephisto
the point is that DRK/THF is for hate control. DRG is dot. go parse DRG/THF vs DRK/THF and DRK will win.

Not entirely true.

My friend drk/thf which was lvl 67 at the time and I (lvl 66 drg at the time) were exping on Prossecionares(sp? lol) and Darters. I was drg/thf (had thf SJ because we actually had 2 drg's so 1 had to sub thf, then the drg got replaced with the drk and I was stuck with thf SJ) and due to the fact we didn't kill 2 Darters in a row very often (crawler->Darter->crawler most of the time) I was able to keep my wyvern alive. The drk had nice gear (heabergeon, snipersx2 etc) (I had feral jerkin snipersx2 etc, but was switching to AF body most of the time to keep my wyverns HP high) and according to my drk friend who was running the parser, I was outdamaging him (by a small margin tho) most of the time thanks to my wyvern on both crawlers and Darters.

His Spinning Slash would do about 700-900 dmg most of the time, my wheeling thrust would do about 500 dmg on crawlers (breath attack excluded) and about 600-700 dmg on Darter (breath attack excluded here too)

(We both used meat mithka's, it was before the nice new food got added )

So it's not right to say drk will outdamage the drg, it depends more on mob type (being Darters was in my advantage of course), gear, lvl (even tho I was 1 lvl lower), etc.

[Yokai]

I give up on trying to convince the general FFXI population of DoT. Maybe expecting everyone other than the Drg and Mnk community to add dmg/fight and compare, is asking entirely too much.

If everyone is only capable of grunting and getting excited when they see a big chunk of Mob HP leave the bar, (I'm sure that's what they're staring at. I wouldn't even expect them to understand numbers if they had their filters off.) let them.

If I had the patience to teach elementary math to mentally retarded children, I would be doing volunteer work in stead of playing FFXI.

[raidenn]

Man , this will never end.

[kissboys]

Anything DRG can do RNG can do better. I can do anything better than you!