Why People say Dragoon suck???

[Yokai]

I have no idea where all of this hate comes from. I literally have Drks, Sams, Rngs, Thfs, and Mnks, /telling me compliments during XP PTs, or begging me to tell them how I gain 200%+ TP to their 100%.

90% of my PT invites since lvl 58 have been JP (most of them compliment me and invite me when they see me online.). With my Current Gear (and food) set-up, I can Solo Skewer (for 200-400Dmg + breath for 50-155~) at the beginning of the fight and still beat the other DD to 100% for the SC. I eat Sole Sushi, and Both of my Jumps land 85% of the time ON TORAMAS! At lvl 60, I still pull hate from every Pld and DD I PT with at least a few times, if not every fight. ... I don't know what you guys are talking about...Maybe you PT with sub-par Drg.

Whatever your problem is, it pisses me off. It pisses me off if you are spouting all of this crap because you don't have any personal experience with it. And it pisses me off even more if you have had experience with crappy Drg and then assume that all Drg are equally as crappy and then consider it your divine obligation to spread rumors to further tarnish the Drg reputation.

As for End-Game. On Fenrir the current leader of UnBreakable HNM LS is a lvl 75 Drg/War\Drk\Rdm\Sam. If you play your Sub-jobs right for each HNM fight, you can become a very good asset to your Alliance.

Don't spread crap all over the place just because you are:

A. a Drg that doesn't put enough effort, farming, research into your Job, to become a great DD. Unfortunately, you can't just pick up Drg and be great at it.

A lvl 60 drg without 34+ equip Acc? {Thanks for the offer, but I'll have to pass.}

B. Someone that has been told by someone they respected that "Drg = teh SuxXor" and have been too confirmation biased to figure out the truth for yourself.

C. Someone that has PTd with less than a handful of Gimp Drg and automatically decided to discriminate against us.

[Yokai]

o... and for all of you that doubt the power of Drg/Mage... try soloing the Sea Horror @ lvl 67

Vid of Drg soloing the Sea Horror for lvl up

[Kailea]

DRG/WHM =1
Sea Horror =0

/cheer

and that is how you play a DRG/WHM :p

[Balodoth]

You're preaching to the choir

Yokai, I agree with you. DRG is a force to be reckoned with. As I said before, I spent an evening trying to reason with my LS on how DRG/BRD could work (especially with AF). I believe in the power of DRG. I don't have the most "uber" gear out there, but I still manage to keep up with other jobs no matter how "l33t" they are. I'm still figuring out how I'm going to make all the money needed for the great gear as I level. And to think, I can spend less money than some jobs since I can't equip some of the awesome armor that they can.

However, the problem isn't me. It isn't the DRG's on these boards. It's the handful of DRG's that can't play well, who are the same handful that give a bad name to any job they try, and those who never take the wyvern damage into account. Really, if S-E would just add a "Party Member Pet" series in the chat filters, DRG and SMN would be much more liked. The recent "NPC" set helps, but allows too much through so that it's likely still turned off by others.

Then again, even with that, DRG could still stand to have a few improvements. DRG quite simply has too much of a bad image to be nullified by something as simple as that. Suddenly making it obvious they are equal to other jobs doesn't make people want to replace those other jobs, the prejudice will still persist. DRG either needs something to make them better--which is unethical and unfair--or something to make them unique.

That's all I'm asking for. How often do you see someone try WAR to see what it's like, or BLM, or BRD, or RNG, or DRK. They do it because they see what they do for the party and want to try it for themselves. I want people to tell their LS, "I'm thinking about unlocking DRG. I partied with one the other night, and it looked like fun." And I want the LS to respond, "You'll like it, it works with any subjob." I want to join a party and have them ask me if I have another sub leveled enough to use because they played with one the other day and loved it, or make sure I'm using a spear to open SC's to let the wyvern MB. That doesn't happen yet, but it could. . . and it should.

[Yokai]

my post wasn't directed to you man... just the gaggle of other self-absorbed, "haters".

:mad:

[Kibagami]

Well that vid is entertaining and all but DRG problem isnt soloing...it's more about party invites. If DRG/WHM actually gave that kind of advantage to a party then that would be nice...

[Kailea]

Well that vid is entertaining and all but DRG problem isnt soloing...it's more about party invites. If DRG/WHM actually gave that kind of advantage to a party then that would be nice...

that is the thing....it does, you just cant see it

DRG/WHM can be a back up healer, anuker with banish, and help with enhancement spells look at DRGs AF helm....it gives + to MND for gods sake.......and I dont care what anyone says haveing WHM as a sub does not lower your attack that much, but yes I know you do loose the attackup skills of other jobs....

but this is the problem, when saying that this sub is better then this sub or what ever, you can not factor in the skills of the sub, because that is why everyone always subs WAR for beserk and the att up skills.

[yuukei]

Nuke....with....banish...............................???

I'm sorry but that would just never. ever. work. Whm nukes are inefficient as it is on most things, and now you're talking about halved divine skill. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure that's a horrible horrible plan. And just how much mp does a drg get from subbing whm anyway?

[Balodoth]

MP?

That's a good question. I went to check a stat calculator on that same subject a coupe days ago, and it was taken down. Does anyone have a site they can recommend for this?

One thing I was interested in was that I'm pretty sure subbing BLM gives you more MP, as well as a cheaper spell--poison--to trigger heal breath with. In addition, you'd have more spells to MB with, which is surely the only way you'll get any decent damage out of the spell.

[GSDragoon]

Don't know where to put this but I got a parser of my EXP session tonight. http://gsdragoon.flaretech.net/ESK/index.htm

Ekoh was the Elvaan JP DRK/THF we picked up. They used a zweihander and tuna sushi. I stuck with Kabobs. TP was pretty good that way, but I still was usually ahead of them some. Think I'm going to try some sushi next time. Oh, and I only had my wyvern out the few times we fought crawlers and for Aquarious. So basicly, this is without they wyvern as we fought just about all Darters.

PS: please excuse the cheasy site, no one really goes their much, so I don't bother working on it much.

[Kafeen]

Most people will look at that and see that the DRK out damamged you.

Smart people will look at your wyvern aswell. People say it sucks and its true that it doesn't too masses of damage. It does give a DRG the edge alot of the time though.

You were still out damaged by Duracell. Although that was spell damage. BLM?

[GSDragoon]

Yes, Duracell is our Taru BLM.

I paresered again tonight, but with Sushi this time. I bumped my dmg to about 28%^^ 2-3k for 30 minutes kinda sucks htough. I'll put them on the site tomorrow sometime.

[Atlain]

There is nothing wrong with DRG, people just don't look at at least 1 of two things.

1. Our wyvern's damage contributes ALOT to our DoT.
2. Our mostly used Penta Thrust is a multi-hit WS (That means that against an IT mob, its possible that the CG makes it look like ur striking 5 times, but you can actually hit only 2-3 times. Thats why the damage seems very low sometimes. You may get 400+ one time then only say 250 the other.)
All depends on a DRG's ACC whether each hit lands or not.

[Buuyon]

Originally posted by Kailea-D
Funguwari, you are mostly right, but what most people do not relize is that DRG CAN sub any job and adapt to useing it to their best ability witch IMNO makes DRG a very good job, I became a Dragoon because I loved Kain from FFIV and that is what keeps me a Dragoon!

DRG/PLD emergency tank
DRG/DRK DD
DRG/WAR hate control
DRG/WHM backup healer
DRG/BLM MB caster (only use spells durring MB)
DRG/RDM Read this
DRG/MNK DD
DRG/SAM DD
DRG/NIN Blink tank
DRG/BRD an extra song doesnt hurt :p
DRG/SMN .......ok well not all jobs
DRG/RNG dito

now before you respond....dont give me any of that statistical crap, or any of that "you cant sub that" jazz....I dont want to hear that BS because that is all it is...BS
now useing these subs does not make DRG "leet" or anything but it makes them usefull in any condition, and that is what I realy think SE had in mind for DRG, it is just once the cookie cutter crap set in, it ruined that vision.......

*places Flame barrier in place and gets ready*

Ok go ahead and let he have it, and remember, dont flame it untill you have tried it yourself! stop being lazzy and try checking this info out foryourself for once..........

drg/pld as a tank...sure if a jump could steal hate...wich wont happen because 1...i havent seen jumps teal hate since lvl 40..and two...your subbing pld...if your pting with a rng there is no way in possible hell you are taking hate...

drg/drk a dd...a very bad dd...

drg/war...damage...not hate control...

drg/whm is a good soloer...not really useful in a pt...

drg/blm retarded as fuck

drg/rdm useless as fuck

drg/mnk pitiful dd

drg/sam decent...faster ws...still think /war is better

drg/nin...not a fucking blink tank...not at all...no voke...3 shadows (unless 74) and as i said...if you are with another DD that hate will be right the fuck off you...

drg/brd yes that extra song does hurt...your taking off a song the brd has sung...and that bard is singing better songs...

drg/smn just no

drg/rng...has more use then /rdm and /blm...sadly...more acc is better then half assed half ass nukes...

you completly forgot drg/thf wich will do lower DPS but better ws...more usefull then most of those other subs...

drg has more flexibilty...but so does war...war can sub nin sam thf or monk with all having their perpose...drg can really only sub 3 in a pt and 1 for soloing...you completly forget about usefullness in a pt...any job can sub anything if they use your logic...fuck drk could sub whm and be a back up healer too...it would be a worse then bad idea though...some of these ideas look good on paper...but are shit useless in a pt...drg can be a real damn good job but with out the gear, skill and sub you could be easly out damaged...Kailea-D you are the biggest retard i have seen on these forums...and i have come to...you are a hooker and im going to slap you in public...please stop playing ffxi...just you playing makes the game suck...

[Kailea]

By: Buuyon

Kailea-D you are the biggest retard i have seen on these forums...and i have come to...you are a hooker and im going to slap you in public...please stop playing ffxi...just you playing makes the game suck...

you know alot of what you said is true when I made that list it was late and I was not thinking about siomethings straite...but what I was trying to point out was that yes DRG can sub anything and bee good in a PT, because their stats are compatable with most subs.

You did not have to insult me, I am sorry I am not a hooker, and I am not a retard, and sorry but close minded people like you are the ones that "make the game suck" so please grow up a couple of years before you post on this thread again