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  • #1

    2H vs Duel Weld..

    Whats the deal w/ this? !
    Last time I was in a party..

    I was using a Scythe w/ War or Thf Sub and another Drk who was with us had ninja sub w/ duel welding axes..

    ...as soon as we got to camp he examined me and starting giving a speech about how noob I was using a 2H! Saying they miss all the time and didn't come close to Duel welding damage. . .

    When we started pulling and I began doing more damage, rarely missing, etc. Then him - Granted I Had all top of the line DEX items w/ +Acc food - but ..isn't that coming prepared?

    Even so we still both missed here and there.. IT+ mobs for the most part.. him more then me though.

    He still went on and on until finally I got sick of it and left the party.

    Whats the deal ?
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    Re: 2H vs Duel Weld..

    Somebody didn't get the memo.

    You're better off not talking to the person again: Dark Knights are supposed to use 2-Handed stuff, for not only is it their A-rated specialty, but the 2-Handed Weapon update makes their arguement obsolete.

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    • #3
      Re: 2H vs Duel Weld..

      Dual Wielding for DRK is still viable, but with all the buffs to 2handed weapons I'd say you're better off in exp with using scythe or greatsword. If the other dark was well prepared and perhaps had merits from another job in axe or something I suppose he could preform a bit better.

      Only time I really see DRKs dualwield is if they have a ridill or Kraken and are melee burning something down. Other than that I'd say the acc you're lacking from dualing axes would be too great.
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        Re: 2H vs Duel Weld..

        Originally posted by Necropolis View Post
        Dual Wielding for DRK is still viable, but with all the buffs to 2handed weapons I'd say you're better off in exp with using scythe or greatsword. If the other dark was well prepared and perhaps had merits from another job in axe or something I suppose he could preform a bit better.

        Only time I really see DRKs dualwield is if they have a ridill or Kraken and are melee burning something down. Other than that I'd say the acc you're lacking from dualing axes would be too great.

        I'm afraid not. Leave rampage to WAR and BST please. No way in hell is a DRK/NIN with two axes going to outdo a DRK/WAR or DRK/SAM. It's not happening, unless you really suck.
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          Re: 2H vs Duel Weld..

          Originally posted by Malacite View Post
          I'm afraid not. Leave rampage to WAR and BST please. No way in hell is a DRK/NIN with two axes going to outdo a DRK/WAR or DRK/SAM. It's not happening, unless you really suck.

          Well that is true if you don't leave the parser running when the /war or /sam is dead on the ground lol.
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          • #6
            Re: 2H vs Duel Weld..

            Yeah, point blank, the 2h Adjustment this summer was awesome for jobs like WAR DRK SAM and DRG. So if you have higher skill in a 2h Weap, use a 2h Weap.
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            • #7
              Re: 2H vs Duel Weld..

              I agree for Twohanded weapons also... DRK/NIN is better for survivabillity... but if you just go DRK/THF and SA/TA a tank, you'll live long and prosper anyway =P. However... my brother does swear by DRK/SAM for high DMG and the added effects like seigan, thrid eye, hassao... etc...
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                Re: 2H vs Duel Weld..

                /NIN doesn't mean you need to Dual Wield.
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                • #9
                  Re: 2H vs Duel Weld..

                  DRK/WAR will out damage /SAM easily. Meditate is overkill when you have Absorb-TP (unless we're talking imps/colibri @. @) and I just can't see any good reason for a job with Attack +48 to give up berserk and double attack >_>p


                  Hell, just the other day I was on my BRD in mount Z and our DRK/WAR was hitting 900 attack on Erruca at lv 67! His damage was pretty nuts.
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                  • #10
                    Re: 2H vs Duel Weld..

                    Is /WAR such a clear winner over /SAM?

                    Double Attack is ~10%, IIRC, so adds about 10% to melee DoT (and WS's damage). Hasso is 10% Haste, adds ~10% to melee DoT (depends on how much Haste you already have). But, Hasso also adds accuracy+10, which is 5% better hit rate if under cap. Then, there's also Zanshin (which is paradoxically more useful when your hit rate is low, but it always helps at least a little when under accuracy cap).

                    Berserk is great, but Meditate is not exactly bad at at 60% TP every three minutes, especially if there's a bit of time between fights (when Berserk would go to waste).

                    If getting hit a lot after WS, I guess Defender would be useful. But, if it's just one or two hits, then Third Eye may save more MP for healers compared to Defender. Gets even better after Seigan becomes available, of course.
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                      Re: 2H vs Duel Weld..

                      I'm not touching /war vs /sam. Defensively, I'm finding /sam is very adequate if I willfully forget that Hasso exists. Seriously, try this. It's amazing how much AoE Third Eye can suck in. It's a very solid defense. I've posted before about my problems with going from Hasso to Seigan-> Third eye -- the extra JA activation gives enough time for the mob to hit you f'n hard and turn back around. So I just leave Seigan up all the time.

                      As a Warrior in my Current gear, the difference in accuracy between my A+ Greataxe and my A- Axe is exactly 38 in favor of GA (that's counting the +5 on maneater whereas no +acc on GA). For a Dark Knight, that'd be like 63 acc difference between axe and Scythe (assuming their DEX was exactly the same as mine, for some reason).

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                      • #12
                        Re: 2H vs Duel Weld..

                        What's interesting is that now with 2h, you get Double the Acc bonus based on pure Dex alone. So unless your 1h Weap is extremely awesome, it's worth it for DRK to stay with 2h.

                        I mean seriously, DRKs have a problem with HOLDING BACK, because otherwise, they'd find themselves a lot dead a lot quicker.
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