when i party with dark knights why dont they use any absorbs ; ;

[Murphie]

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Wasn't Dak's whole point that DRK used to have problems pre-Sushi? I'm almost certain I saw him mention it.

Honestly though, I'm really not that invested in this discussion. I like DRK, and think it's fine.

[ItazuraNhomango]

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I thought his point was "[DRK's accuracy problem] wasn't always a myth"?

DRK's accuracy problem before sushi... er... Was that any different from SAM's or WAR's or any melee's accuracy problems? I don't seem to recall they had access to that many more accuracy gear or possessed some innate accuracy traits.

It's one thing to point out accuracy problem in pre-sushi days, but it's quite another to say it was DRK's problem.

[Taskmage]

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I think Dak's point, put statistically, is that drks have a lower tp consistency because of the lower swing rate. If you flip a coin 100 times, you're most likely going to come up with a number of heads close to 50, since actual results tend to normalize toward statistical means as the sample group grows larger. If you flip a coin four or five times and come up with only one heads, you're still within statistical normalcy but the result has the appearance of a lower likelyhood of heads occuring. Thus, since a drk swings less often in a given amount of time than another 1H DD and hasn't until now had the means to smooth over their TP rate that sams and drgs have always had, they have the appearance of a lower consistency on TP gain, and thus lower accuracy, even though their to-hit rate averages out the same.

And if that wasn't Dak's point, then I claim it as my point.

[Murphie]

Re: when i party with dark knights why dont they use any absorbs ; ;

I think Dak's point, put statistically, is that drks have a lower tp consistency because of the lower swing rate. If you flip a coin 100 times, you're most likely going to come up with a number of heads close to 50, since actual results tend to normalize toward statistical means as the sample group grows larger. If you flip a coin four or five times and come up with only one heads, you're still within statistical normalcy but the result has the appearance of a lower likelyhood of heads occuring. Thus, since a drk swings less often in a given amount of time than another 1H DD and hasn't until now had the means to smooth over their TP rate that sams and drgs have always had, they have the appearance of a lower consistency on TP gain, and thus lower accuracy, even though their to-hit rate averages out the same.

And if that wasn't Dak's point, then I claim it as my point.

It's a pretty good point. I'm glad there are some people around here who can be bothered to do math. Because I so can't.

[ItazuraNhomango]

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Heh. I already covered that with a wave of hand and the wording of "less 'even' DoT".

Can we now agree that there was/is no "DRK accuracy problem", but rather a "TP gain consistency" problem from preference for high delay weapons?

(Also, keep in mind back then, high delay weapon also suffered from lower TP/delay ratios, so getting enough TP for SC was not only a consistency problem. None of that had anything to do with DRK's accuracy, of course.)

[Tipsy]

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Really, none of this matters anymore. DRK has so many ways of countering the slow weapon aspect to get TP faster, that it's really not a problem, at all. And SE, apparently, is working on it too. Maybe one day we'll see 2handed weapons as good as war/nins' or mnks/wars' DoT

[DakAttack]

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I took statistics! I know all about these coins and pulling socks out of drawers while wearing blindfolds. It's madness.

If I said or it sounded like I was saying Dark Knights have it worse when it comes to Accuracy I was wrong. I was pointing more towards how the myth came about, whether or not I did it well. Being a two-hander, I know first-hand what it's like to be at 40% TP when the Thf/Nin is as 100%, and even though I may have just as much Accuracy, my problem is my delay and a stroke of bad luck.

Taskmage summarized it quite nicely. In any given fight we, as two-handers, don't have the opportunity to approach our accuracy's statistical mean. Though dual-wielders don't either, they come closer nonetheless.

Everybody would have 100% TP at the same time if our TP per hit were functions of both delay and accuracy.

[Guren]

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Dark Knights that don't use -Absorb- *Insert stat here* are not newbies but, are Warriors!

Lol.

[Lmnop]

Re: when i party with dark knights why dont they use any absorbs ; ;

'k

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: when i party with dark knights why dont they use any absorbs ; ;

Also, as a galka, it seems that RDM are wayyyyyy more leaniant on refreshing me. Ive yet to be in a pt with a RDM where i wasnt refreshed every time i was in need. Maybe it was just a DRK loving RDM...Maybe my spell choices were very positive for the party....or maybe they just pity my pathetic mp... =D

As a RDM, though, I have to say most DRKs aren't worth paying attention much of the time, when it comes to Refresh.

I'd toss out a Refresh when they are 100 MP down. Two cycles later, they are swinging away with a full MP bar... If a DRK isn't using up the 150 MP from the Refresh in two cycles, he might as well just live on Sanction's and/or Parade Gorget's refresh so I can save my MP for other things.

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To those "I melee!" DRKs: I'm not giving you Refresh so you have one more pretty status icon to look at. Cast spells, people.

At a minimum, make full use of Absorb-TP, Stun, and Drain I/II. Heck, skill up with a Poison every other fight if you want, just don't cast Bio II over my Dia II.

[Zepp3]

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Sometimes absorbs arent always the best for instance if ur fighting bats, drain and aspir does like nothing. And drains arent always that great on high level monsters but still to not have any... wow

[Omni]

Re: when i party with dark knights why dont they use any absorbs ; ;

Really, none of this matters anymore. DRK has so many ways of countering the slow weapon aspect to get TP faster, that it's really not a problem, at all. And SE, apparently, is working on it too. Maybe one day we'll see 2handed weapons as good as war/nins' or mnks/wars' DoT

your wish came true.