Is it true what they say...

[Eohmer]

Is it true what they say about DRK's?

Eohmer>> Hello! Experience points. Do you need it?
DRK>> Yes, please.
Eohmer>> Do you mind being first provoke so I can SATA on PLD?
DRK>> I'm sorry. I will take too much damageand I'll die. No thanks! See you again.


I guess it IS true for the most part!

/sigh

[zagex]

Re: Is it true what they say...

If the thf and tank are fast on the SATA, the first voke should only take 2-3 hits. As a taru mage, I can usually take 2-3 hits without stoneskin or blink as long as they're not all criticals, or some high damage weaponskill. I had a Drk as a main tank in altepa. Everyone else was JP, and I didn't actually realize he was tanking
until later, though I was the Whm. I just thought he kept pulling hate. Interestingly enough, he also was the puller, and crafted drinks to regen MP.

Plus Drks have drain to help get back some of the lost hp. That's better than most other first vokes.

[Eohmer]

Re: Is it true what they say...

Yeah, but the speed of SATA is beside the point in this case. Party has not had a single fight yet, as I was still forming the party. So how could he know that were either slow in performing it, or fast? He didn't even want to TRY!

[Icemage]

Re: Is it true what they say...

It's sort of a vicious cycle:

Most players think DRKs suck (they don't), which leads to...

Therefore most DRKs end up in bad parties where people "can't find any better alternatives" which leads to...

DRKs end up with terrible tanks in their parties, and either never learn how to control their hate level (stupidity), don't care (apathy), or couldn't avoid it if they tried (bad tank) which leads to...

DRK getting hate, taking a lot of damage and dying (because of slow trigger finger healers + sucky tanks) which leads to...

DRKs not liking being SATA partners since they WILL be soaking up hits for sure, which makes most players think they suck...


Icemage

[Jei]

Re: Is it true what they say...

if the tank and thf are slow with SATA, most first voker DD won't last long. Except War I think :x

[Minimee]

Re: Is it true what they say...

dont lump all drk's in same group, because of 1 drk. i have no problem being first voke even as a taru drk. but thf and tank have to get the job done within 3 hits max or im deadtaru. my defense is very bad as a taru and a drk. i am equipped for max damage and accuracy not defense. with my low hp it doesnt take many hits before im in the red. i cant believe a drk would turn down any exp party but i would guess was lvl 50 or below. later levels he would take about any party offered. i can tell you in the high 60's and 70's i cant even tank dc's in test and key partys. ep's are not practical either without alot of healing. other races would fair better than myself, but drk gear is +atk +str +dex and - eva and -def. i have went so far as to carry +def gear for less than avg tanks, but this still leaves me fighting to survive after few hits.

[lionx]

Re: Is it true what they say...

Unless you are wearing snipers and all that - DEF stuff, most gear on DRKs have good DEF for SATA and should be same as WAR or PLD without the buffs and stuff, its only when they use LR and SE that they go weak. However even so i feel the THF sucks if they cant SATA fast enough for the DRK to die like that...>_>;

Maybe some DEF gear would be nice if you are that concerned of your THF.

[Eohmer]

Re: Is it true what they say...

dont lump all drk's in same group, because of 1 drk. i have no problem being first voke even as a taru drk. but thf and tank have to get the job done within 3 hits max or im deadtaru. my defense is very bad as a taru and a drk. i am equipped for max damage and accuracy not defense. with my low hp it doesnt take many hits before im in the red. i cant believe a drk would turn down any exp party but i would guess was lvl 50 or below. later levels he would take about any party offered. i can tell you in the high 60's and 70's i cant even tank dc's in test and key partys. ep's are not practical either without alot of healing. other races would fair better than myself, but drk gear is +atk +str +dex and - eva and -def. i have went so far as to carry +def gear for less than avg tanks, but this still leaves me fighting to survive after few hits.

I didn't. I said for the MOST part because with my luck, most of the DRK's I've been involved with are somewhat whiny.

[Hitsugaia]

Re: Is it true what they say...

Well, if you find a good DRK, Friendslist him, compliment him, and invite him to your next party. If that's really how it is with DRKs on your server, you'll love yourself for making a list of good ones.

[Kailea]

Re: Is it true what they say...

dotn forget to do it with the DRGs too :p

[TheGrandMom]

Re: Is it true what they say...

I was pt'd with a thf in my static on my drk from 60-67. I found that voke creates too much hate and I would pull with poison or sometimes stun and then wait for the tank and thf to do their stuff. But yes, the thf and tank must be on top of their game because drks do take hits hard. Some drks can offset this by carrying defensive equips to swap out but not everyone is able to do that. Another thing to do is set a "you stand here and you stand here" scenario up. Thats what I used to do, then I knew exactly where to pull the mob to and the thf and tank would be right there in position. A good drk can pull with a spell that creates less hate and a good thf and tank can get into position in a decent amount of time but I can understand any drks apprehension.

[Harrison]

Re: Is it true what they say...

Well if they swap out their Sniper's rings, and don't hit SE/LR right before they first voke, I don't see what the fear is about taking a few hits. Like another poster said, they have Drain to get a decent portion of the few HP's they lose from taking a hit or two to start with. If the SATA isn't very fast, any first voker is gonna get whacked around.

[Aeni]

Re: Is it true what they say...

Well if they swap out their Sniper's rings, and don't hit SE/LR right before they first voke, I don't see what the fear is about taking a few hits. Like another poster said, they have Drain to get a decent portion of the few HP's they lose from taking a hit or two to start with. If the SATA isn't very fast, any first voker is gonna get whacked around.

Ever tried being a DRK first "voke" on a raptor or torama? It's not pretty.

Edit: and of course, at later levels (65,66+) it's useless to have a THF with a DRK/THF in PT ...

[keneko]

Re: Is it true what they say...

well all i know as a sam im always first voking (unless there a better person ofc) and im sure drk use heavier armour :/

[Skoal]

Re: Is it true what they say...

I bought some Carapace armor for my drg since 90% I am SATA partner. Not too expensive and the hands activate just after a few hits from and IT. I don't understand why a melee wouldn't want to be a trick partner, its easy evasion and parrying skill up.