Early DRK Weapon Skills

[Langolier]

So, what with all the balancing talk in light of the release of Chains of Promathia, I've been going about different job forums and making all manner of enemies. Reason being, I find it somewhat rediculous that jobs which tend to outclass mine in every way for more than half the game start to bitch when mine finally outclasses them, to a degree.

One of the biggest complaints they make is that they get weak weapon skills, while DRK's get great ones. So, I was thinking, why not make this fair and boost early DRK weapon skills too? The only way to have good ones for DRK's before 60 is to lvl 2 or 3 weapons, and that ain't fair, not if we don't get to at least get uber later on. Thoughts?

[Dexster]

Langolier.

I like the way how it is currently set up. I honestly think that all weapon skills should be a quest that you should have to complete to add to the story line of the Dark Knight. It would make people have to do something other than just level all the time. (this the reason why i really like sum. even though i haven't played it.)

I say keep the weapon skills set up the way they are also because it makes a lot of people wash out of dark knight between 1-66 which is perfectly fine with me.

[Liono]

I agree that its very difficult to be a dark knight at early levels.
Some Darkknights even feel inferior to other classes for a long
period of the game and I enjoy the washout rate due to the
abundance of people who want to be Darkknight....

[jmedno5891]

Other jobs should stop complaining...Pshh penta thrust while we get vorpal scythe....WTF IS THAT!?

[Mikeb]

Some of the GS weapon skills are decent, it's still an A- rated weapon...

[Langolier]

Originally posted by Mikeb
Some of the GS weapon skills are decent, it's still an A- rated weapon...

GS and scythe have the same cap until 61. However neither gets very good weapon skills until 60. GS weapon skills are just slightly better. I suppose DRK weapon skills are ok if you get G-axe, but that's alot of weapons and magic to cap.


How about this: Remove the soft provokes on Souleater and Last Resort. Or hell, cancel Last Resort and give DRK's Berserk. If Monk and Ninja can share subtle blow, then DRK and Warrior can share Berserk. Just my opinion.

[jmedno5891]

I definitely wouldn't mind getting Berserk as a DRK skill

[CarbonFibre]

Penta thrust may do a lot of damage, but it doesn't chain very well with about one ideal skillchain people try to set up all the way to high levels. I know that I'm 55 and distortion is still the best thing we got going. I suppose that if you're fighting bats or something you could open detonation with it. At least you can participate in and close distortion. I don't enjoy partying with MNKs very much because they can't do distortion. The last party I had with a MNK we had to do Tachi: Koki > Raging Fists for impaction. It was unfortunate because the BLM had to burst thunder II for half the damage a blizzard II would have bursted for (and using more MP). I thought they were supposed to be weak to lightning as well, so maybe the BLM was just getting resisted each and every burst.

[Omena]

Originally posted by jmedno5891
Other jobs should stop complaining...Pshh penta thrust while we get vorpal scythe....WTF IS THAT!?

Umm, are you saying Penta is actually good for something?

Penta deals crap damage on IT mobs and has perhaps the worst possible SC attributes. Guillotine is almost as bad, though.
I'd say both DRK and DRG get shafted on the WS department on lower levels, but DRG never gets a good WS.

[Razz]

Penta thrust is a good weapon skill against ITs before level 60. From 49-60 the mobs have weak defense and you have accuracy gear as a DRG you can do some damage with penta. More than a DRK would with a piece of shit known as Vorpal Scythe. Before the TP nerf, DRG totally pissed over DRK before level 60 :p

I don't see how you claim guillotine to be weak. It can do quad digit damage with good gear.

[Langolier]

Penta Thrust and Guillotine are both very good on VT's or any mob with lower defense. (pretty much anything that's not a crab) Even if you're just fighting VT's you can go through them pretty fast if you've got some multi-hits ripping them apart.


Still... me want Berserk, Double Attack, and Agressor! :mad:

[l)@RK-l)EVIL]

if you think guillotine is crapy ws you know nothing about drk >.>

go see my last thread and see my damage with guillotine vs IT mobs

plus guilltine renkei very good with war - rngs - sam - mnk - drg whats more you need? lol and all of them fargmention - ice - or thunder which is nice renkei and wanted (expect guillotine > penta = dark renkei and thats crapy renkei)

penta thrust sux not only of cuz of damage its cuz you can only create wind or dark skillchain with it

wind/dark renkei = sucky renkei

[Omena]

Originally posted by l)@RK-l)EVIL
if you think guillotine is crapy ws you know nothing about drk >.>

go see my last thread and see my damage with guillotine vs IT mobs

plus guilltine renkei very good with war - rngs - sam - mnk - drg whats more you need? lol and all of them fargmention - ice - or thunder which is nice renkei and wanted (expect guillotine > penta = dark renkei and thats crapy renkei)

penta thrust sux not only of cuz of damage its cuz you can only create wind or dark skillchain with it

wind/dark renkei = sucky renkei

I guess I've been playing with gimped darks then, but around L60 when the darks in my parties were getting Guillotine, they of course wanted to experiment with it, rarely doing over 300 damage.

[Zafron]

Originally posted by Omena
I guess I've been playing with gimped darks then, but around L60 when the darks in my parties were getting Guillotine, they of course wanted to experiment with it, rarely doing over 300 damage.

heh i dont know who you are grouping with, but the only time i do less then 300 dmg with guillotine is when only 1 hit lands. Thats assuming i am not using SE in which case i will still hit for around 300. Standard guillotine is 500-800 without Souleater on low IT.

[kumaeru]

Originally posted by Zafron
heh i dont know who you are grouping with, but the only time i do less then 300 dmg with guillotine is when only 1 hit lands. Thats assuming i am not using SE in which case i will still hit for around 300. Standard guillotine is 500-800 without Souleater on low IT.

Thats exactly right. Guillotine is a good WS, and it is what starts to make Drk a higher damage job, like Rng. With also the ability to renkei with Rng and War it becomes they become part of the most damaging renkei group at that lvl.