Galka = Best DRK

[JayblahX]

Originally posted by phr0st
you = teh suxorz

@ lvl 59, Galkan have 3 less str than an elvaan, I think the gap goes to 7 by 75.

Additionally, Elvaan's have almost 100 MP more than galkans.

Galkans have about 100 more hp, which would yield a MARGINAL difference ONCE every 5 minutes, versus the elvaan outdamaging the galkan on every swing, moreso when berserk is up.

Elvaan > Galkan

To the creator of this thread: I think its a pointless, unnecessary thread, and will only serve to incite flames. I used to get into racewar type threads until I matured and stopped caring about this stupidity. I know exactly what I'm capable of, and I convince it in game.

Also, there is one thing I've learned long ago: Most Elvaans (to be fair, this applies to fanboys of all races, but I find it most common in Elvaan) will never, ever be objective, and will defend their race to the death. These players are a waste of your time. They have so much ego that its clouded them to go so far as to claim themselves to be the best BLM, RDM, WHM, pretty much everything. No matter what class you choose, Elvaans (again, there are always idiots in all races, but Elvaans really seem to do this mostly) will always pop up and be insistent that they rule at it. Sad, but true, and you can see it for yourself in any job forum. A perfect illustration of this is Phrost's post. While he is so eager to use the word "marginal" when addressing a bonus on Galka, he never once plays fair with regard to the Elvaan "advantage."

I hit harder than you..

I can cast almost twice as much as you..

I hate to burst Phrost's bubble, but 3 STR advantage (not 7) will not make any noticeable improvement in your damage. Soul Eater difference is visible due it being directly based off a tangible stat: HP. 3 STR and its effect on damage vs. any experience monster (and likewise, the Galkan advantage of 3 DEX) is practically invisible. I've grouped with Elvaan MNKs with their much touted 3 STR advantage over me, and there are rounds where they hit harder, and rounds where I hit harder. It would take hours of gameplay and a parser to ever come up with physical evidence that an Elvaan puts out more damage than a Galka, and even then, it would depend totally on luck of the "dice". With such small stat boosts, its all a matter of getting lucky on the game's number generator. Yes, an Elvaan has the potential to hit harder on normal hits, and Galka has the potential to critical hit more. All of these are moot issues because in practice, the game rarely is so clear cut.

To use Elvaan's minor STR advantage as some kind of godly clincher to an argument is ignorant to be sure. Also, Phrost's claim that he can cast twice as much as you is also irrelevant and a total illusionary tactic; i.e. its a worthless claim. Every DRK I've PTed with (even Taru DRKs) typically cast only a few spells at the start, and occasionally a MB (though I've seen most DRKs simply burst Drain at this level possibly due to uncapped elemental skill, or Aspir [Was PTd with a Taru DRK that didn't care for the minor damage his bursts would do, so he utilized darkness chain to burst Aspir and absorb a nice MP back. Was a very useful tactic I thought]). Outside of stuns, they don't cast much else. Casting in battle simply means you aren't swinging as often in battle. Again, total lack of objectivity on Phrost's part. He uses a moot advantage to try and play up Elvaans.

Having grouped with many DRKs, I would have to agree and say Galka is the "best" (I use this term loosely). In my eyes, the greatest asset of a DRK is the ability to facilitate Chain 5, through Soul Eater and their powerful closers. This is what elevates a Galka to the top slot.

About the Taru DRK thing, I personally don't understand it. Its an underdog syndrome I suppose. Tarus can make very good DRKs (I've grouped with a few, and they are actually surpisingly good), but its pretty silly to flat-out say they are "the best" in most real-world examples. Perhaps the only time a Taru DRK surpasses other DRKs is in certain situations like Awntawn mentioned where a DRK plays the role of a ghetto BLM. Really though, the cool thing about DRK is any race can play them effectively, whereas I wouldn't really give Taru MNK a shot under most situations...

Again though, its all about being objective, which you also lack Dagon, as much as Phrost, Mikasa, and others do. I tend to just ignore fanboys of any race. You'll find that there are people out there who can be objective. These are the people worth your time. A famous Hume DRK (he knows who he is), taught me about objectivity.

[Brothershadow]

It's all about what you want out of your DRK and eventually
items you'll uncover will fix certain inherent short comings. As an
"Elvaan" I fully enjoy the strength not to mention the option as Awntawn said above, the constant ability to interrupt an ability of
a mob with spells if need be and not have to just sit there and take it. Trying to bash the other races only proves youve no concept of this games balance. BTW, your "Facts" are flawed...

[Marijuana]

Im Galka Drk...I dont think we are the best, or the worst. Anyways, who cares?

Creator of this thread = FAG.

[Dragon Ghost]

dude j00 r gimp,you d0nt relize h0w imp0rtant MP is,so who gives a SH1T if an Elvaan is in a freakin cutscene. OMG OMG GALKA WAS IN THE DRK CUTSCENE HOLY SHI1T ALL DRK's ARE MENT TO BE GALKA!!!!!!11 THE l33t RACE OMG!!!!111

[phr0st]

Jayblahx,

I'm wondering if you bothered to read the previous posts where I mentioned how well ANY of the classes in can do our job, or if you just blindly chose to ignore it for the basis of hyping me up as an ignorant fanboy.

As much as I hate to throw the old level argument in there, I didn't get to 60 by whoring stat calculators and being a fanboy.

In earnest, Elvaan do hit harder than galkan. and galkan crit more than elvaan. Not by much, but it happens.

Saying that adding 100 hp to a dark knight for soul eater has some magical propensity to take you from chain 4 to chain 5 is ludicrous as is to say that stun is the only "good cast" we have a gross misconception. Stun is great, especially to buy nin tanks more time when casting utsusemi, but it's by NO means the only USEFUL black magic we have.

While we're on the topic, I'll give a scenario (and a common one, as this will account for a good 2-3 levels at 55ish, which is 60,000 exp).

You're fighting crabs in terrigan. They're notorious for casting that STR down skill they have (I forget the exact name, it may be bubble curtain, but I'm not sure).

Now, If I'm an Elvaan, I have between 175 and 200 MP, a Galkan, somewhere around 100.

Now, the crab's str down can be very simply overwritten with a stuck abs-str. So if a crab casts that twice in the battle, the galkan has gone threw 2/3s of his MP. His capacity to throw in the "godly" stun when the crab turns on the black mage, ranger, whatever, or to stun when the ninja casts utsu has just be effectively reduced to 1 time before he is forced to cast aspir or ask for refresh.

additionally, the hume has an advantage over the elvaan in this case as well, but at least with the elvaan it's "doable". Galkans are a little under the "floor" for MP usage. They have to ration it heavily.

I don't know what I did to you to give you the desire to make me look like some obsessed "ubern00b" fanboy, and if it's anything that requires my apology then you have it, but I'm offended at both the information and the manner in which it was presented in your post.

And using +str as a "godly clincher" for elvaans is no more assanine than using 100 more HP as basis for an argument against us while ignoring the 100 MP difference because "drks don't cast alot."

I was trying to be objective in my original post (I don't even know if you bothered to look at it) before I was told my race was "worthless".

And it is my opinion that Elvaan is a better race choice than galkan, even if it is by a very VERY marginal yield in performance (which I believe it is VERY marginal, when creating glavan I was torn between galkan and elvaan, and in earnest, the only reason I chose elvaan was 1. the higher mp and 2. the aesthetics). But I don't believe there's enough difference in any of them to say "Man, that race should've chosen a different job."

I'm not mindless, I'm not a noob, I'm NOWHERE NEAR the same league as people who claim that elvaans make the best mages, and frankly, it really pisses me off that you've lumped me in that category.

[surlung]

the author of the post is really speaking the truth.

If he was at my level, I bet he can do sooo much more damage over one fight - probably about 150 more damage if he souleaters a spinning slash.

You are right, galkas are so leet. I'll go kill myself now.

[phr0st]

Better yet,

Reroll and become a bard or white mage, then all will be right with the universe surlung.

[Dragon Ghost]

wtf,Galka's are the ELITE RACE of Vana'diel,thats why there is so many of them.

[JayblahX]

Phrost,

I lumped you into the same class as Dagon due to the simple fact that your post marginalized everything about the Galka's advantage, while overexaggerating Elvaan's advantages. The same way he did it for Galkas. The same way Mikasa does it for Elvaans, and countless other pro-race nuts. See a pattern?

If you felt it was undeserved, I only derived it from I read. I read your posting quite clearly, so the much-abused weak retort of "failing to read the post" can be tossed out the window, thanks. I said the same thing you did about DRKs; any race can do it well, but "best" is a very selective word.

And I didn't say only Galkas can facilitate Chain 5 due to Soul Eater (speaking of reading comprehension...) I said Galkas do Soul Eater best. The skill itself (Soul Eater) is a facilitator of Chain 5. Galka Soul Eater is not marginal the way the 3 points of STR an Elvaan has. Unlike the STR difference, or DEX difference, the SE difference is noticeable. You ask almost anyone to compare an equally geared Elvaan's damage per hit vs. that of a Galka's and I guarantee you no one will be able to arrive at any real conclusion. I've been partying with a variety of damage dealers, and between Galkas and Elvaans, I'm hard-pressed to notice any difference in damage OR accuracy. Also, I never overexaggerate the Elvaan DEX disadvantage the way others do by claiming they "miss alot." From what I've seen in-game, its very hard to say if Elvaans miss anymore than other races. Statwise, you really only see the differences play out vs. Too Weak mobs or similar low level creatures. Since you spend most of your time beating on VTs, ITs, these stat differences rarely manifest themselves.

Contrast this to Soul Eater, which is directly derived from a formula based on HP, of which Galka have more of, and thus translates into visibly more damage while active. Its the same as Thief Sneak Attack and Trick Attack, which is derived directly from DEX and AGI respectively, and why Mithras are the best THFs, and Elvaans are the worst. They just can't overcome the racial disadvantage for Thiefs. By this token, Galka Soul Eater advantage isn't overcome. That's the amusing thing about DRKs, asides from one skill, most of the differences between the races is less apparent.

As for MP, again, I'm going by what I see in-game. Considering I'm a Monk, and group with many DRKs (partly because they are my preferred partner of choice now), I think I have an inkling of what spells they cast or do not cast. Try educating someone else, please. You may be a DRK, but I don't think you've grouped with many other DRKs in your career. Your completely ideal (which is why I called your MP argument worthless in most real-world situations) example of Abs-STR might matter if:

a) mages didn't have Erase at my level with most of the good ones tossing it on me since HandToHand dmg is hugely affected by STR unlike Scythes, as soon as they see Bubble Shower

b) if the STR-debuff wasn't so short lasting (its a countdown buff like Absorb spells) and therefore there's no urgent need to waste MP on getting it removed via an Absorb. Also the reason I never ask for Erase when I'm STR debuffed anyway. It just wears off fairly quick.

Again, the MP advantage is infact a moot issue, because as I've seen with my eyes, DRKs are only expected to cast a few spells and usually at the start of combat. This applies even to Taru DRKs I've grouped with. They have an enormous MP pool and yet most only cast the spells I mentioned. Go figure.

If you truly don't believe there's a massive difference as you say (as I don't), then stop trivializing one and exaggerating the other. End of story. That's what prompted me to lump you in the category, only you greatly exaggerated it to fit your case (Never called you an "ubern00b" for example, so don't attribute it to me).

That's about all I wanted to impress on people regarding this subject: Just be objective.

Have fun continuing to flame each other about stupid race tripe.

[phr0st]

none of the darks here are flaming about "race tripe" except the thread starter

I've just stated time and time again that any race can do the job effectively. As far as Galkan MP goes, your faulting your own logic. If you say darks are only expected to cast a couple of spells, and that's at the beginning of every battle then that pretty much does a galkan in in 2 rounds, considering abs- spells cost around 30 MP a piece to cast. Then, in fact, MP ISN'T a moot point, because a galkan is going to run out in 2 rounds And nothing screams "I facilitate exp chains" to me like a melee that has to rest for MP every 2 battles, thus losing TP which I'm sure from your infinite and documentary worthy observation of dark knights you know to be a bit on the slow side building anyway, thus making the monk (how ironic) wait longer for skillchains and generally lowering the damage output as opposed to one who has to do it every 4 (and can "make due" without it for that crucial 5th chain if they have to or if the red mage is absolutely to entrenched in his refresh cycle to break off and throw one the dark's way).


The above paragraph is just an exercise in how out of proportion we can blow a very trivial thing. Do you honestly believe that it makes a difference between the 100 mp advantage of the 100 hp advantage of galkan versus elvaan? I don't, I think they both have one in a million possible shots of making a difference in one specific instance, but neither is really that crucial to the foundation of the dark knight job.

I think your just nitpicking. I think your being elitist, and I think that you think no one else in this game could possibly do things in any way other than how you would do them and be *gasp* .. right.

I didn't "feed the troll" to say that "OMG ELVAANS ARE SO COOL THEY CAN CRUSH ANYONE IN ANYTHING!!!!!11111onetwothree"

I just wanted to express the point that elvaans are not a worthless race, and that neither are galkans, nor any other race of the game.

I also find it laughable how you totally ignored the fact that the thread starter said that elvaans cannot be healers because we have high charisma but low MP.

You didn't feel the urge to correct him on the fact that mind, and not charisma is what determines healing magic potency, but you managed to blow out of context one statement I made about elvaans hitting harder than galkans because we have more str.

Methinks someone has a hard-on for busting elvaan balls because you're dying to "break the typical elvaan male mold by playing a galkan so you can be the unique and beautiful snowflake that jack doesn't want you to be."

I'm not overrexagerating elvaan strengths anymore than you're doing for galkans, and I'm not undercutting galkans anymore than you're trying to trivialize elvaans.

I've said it through the whole thread and I'll say it again. I think elvaans are the best, but by a very, very very slim sliver of a margin. I don't think my points are unfounded, and I don't think I'm being an irrational fanboy.

[gix]

you'll have like 4 more dex than elvaan. it's not that big of an issue. any race can do drk^^

[JayblahX]

The above paragraph is just an exercise in how out of proportion we can blow a very trivial thing.

Congratulations on destroying your own opening argument, and failing to make a point which applies to me, consider I never blew anything out of proportion nor have you proven that I have. See, I know what adjectives are.

you managed to blow out of context one statement I made about elvaans hitting harder than galkans because we have more str.

No, I just wanted to keep it in context, after people like you decided to blow the Elvaan advantage out of proportion. You never said not significant, almost unnoticeable in most experience situations to most eyes STR advantage, you said deceivingly "we hit harder." Its called adjectives, learn to use them. Simple really.

The rest of your post is typical cat-claws out back-to-the-wall hissy fit melodrama and not worth my time. You claim you don't exaggerate, and yet your entire reply is nothing but an irrational, self-serving exaggeration.

Reason I didn't address other stupid comments made by people like "Elvaan suck as healers due to CHR" because this is primarily a DRK thread, and I entered it only to comment on DRKs and objectivity. If you care to know, I consider Elvaans to be the best PLDs, a finding you can read in my journal (link below) if you are interested to see how I arrived at that.

Lastly, no, I'm not supporting the topic-creator; I already called Dagon a waste of time, pretty much like I'm now beginning to see you as one.

[phr0st]

cat clawed back to the wall hissy fit exaggerative melodrama?

I'm not the one whining and bitching and threatening to reroll my character or level my bard just because I have to build my own PTs and had one frustrating night of partying where someone (god knows it couldn't have been you), dropped the ball and you died 1 time.

And how is my back to the wall? I didn't say anything wrong.

You know, I don't meet many people who just have a natural propensity to be arrogant jerks. I'm a pretty nice guy, in real life, and in game. I usually spend about 20 minutes to an hour looking for or building a party because *ding ding* people actually like to be around me, and I'm a damn good player. I took a peek at your journal (At your request) and I found a few interesting things. At 66 a monk shouldn't really have a problem joining a reputable LS with similar and higher leveled individuals. They aren't "undesired". I'm just speculating, but I can't help but think that it might have something to do with the fact that your social skills are about as inviting as a block of ice.. a very large block of ice.

[JayblahX]

Its my journal. In journals I can rant all I want, its my venue for all types of postings, good, bad, and ugly. I'm a one LS type of guy. Haven't attempted to join another one.

Resorting to assumptive personal flames despite having not an iota of clue about me is about as pathetic as it gets. Congratulations dipshit on lacking the spine to keep your cool and rationality; taking arguments outside small barbs and the topic at hand, and into another direction entirely.

[Jifan]

Why the hell do you need to rely on a JA to get chain 5?