What will you Sub with Dancer?

[Murphie]

Re: What will you Sub with Dancer?

I imagine that won't be much of a challenge once they reach a certain level.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: What will you Sub with Dancer?

Dancer was an enfeebler in other FF games, so I think subjob that favor that would be good, particularly subs that grant Magic Attack Bonus (RDM, BLM, BLU). WHM and NIN are always safe bets, too. Perhaps /THF and /WAR as well seeing as they seem to be getting Sword Dance (Kreigstanz).

/BLM is a little too sketchy for my tastes, as it offers zero PT support and its only +5 more MAB than what RDM or BLU would offer, moreover, /WHM offers all the best option if you wanted to skew to a deeper support role.

/BRD ... I'll really never understand the appeal to this one. Its decent for early levels 1-20, but 50+ the reasoning behind it is extremely shallow. Worse is it offers no skills or returns to a main job in most cases.

[Kailea]

Re: What will you Sub with Dancer?

Dancer/Bard or even
Bard/Dancer ......
Both classes are CHR based, and there for would work well together

I bet 90% of the things BRD can wear, so will Dancer.

/BRD would give a bigger bost in CHR then other jobs, and would allow for an extra buff/debuff

not saying that /BRD would be the only sub, but you can throw it out and say no, before looking at all the possibilities.

I am sure /WHM or /RDM would be the most used in PTs like with BRD and /WAR or THF for a more DoT type effect

[Telera]

Re: What will you Sub with Dancer?

Whatever it is, I refuse to do ninja.

If White Mage is viable for the majority of party situations, I will take up dancer on my Tarutaru.

If Ninja is more requested, since I have utterly had it with the 'SHADOWZEVARTHING!' fad, then I will simply skip the job and go with my plan of doing Beastmaster.

[jenova_9]

Re: What will you Sub with Dancer?

ya I doubt /NIN will be on demand as its sub.

and DCR/NIN wouldn't win the tank role as much as PLD, WAR and NIN would.

/WHM is more useful since support healing is more useful for a support job like this. But probably not by much if it has a small manapool, which would make /WAR even more accepted at least until maybe lv.30.

but you know, DCR/NIN might actually be good for extra damage, so dual-wield could in fact double the effectiveness of their damage output. But can't say if DCR's stats will provide decent accuracy.

but overall I theorize Dancer will be most wanted for its support abilities above all else, which would be cool cause that gives Dancer the flexibility to use different subs to contribute with DD or support healing, or other side roles.

like BRD, I don't think people will care or even pay attention what Dancer does as long as their Dances keep coming to cripple the mob. so chances are their sub is really up to the Dancer, but ya I think a big factor will be the size of their mana pool is and if they have any abilities that regenerates MP, otherwise they might as well sub a fighter class.

[Karinya]

Re: What will you Sub with Dancer?

ya I doubt /NIN will be on demand as its sub.
and DCR/NIN wouldn't win the tank role as much as PLD, WAR and NIN would.

I doubt very much that dancer/anything will be tanking. Unless it's something unintentional like the brief Mazurka tanking fad.

but you know, DCR/NIN might actually be good for extra damage, so dual-wield could in fact double the effectiveness of their damage output. But can't say if DCR's stats will provide decent accuracy.

Dual wield won't double the effectiveness of anyone's damage output (are there really people who think that? sheesh, no wonder /NIN is so popular). Because of the delay increase the most you will ever gain is a few percent, usually less damage output than you would have gained with /WAR Double Attack and Berserk. THF/WAR has outdamaged THF/NIN forever; it's primarily the usefulness of shadows for pulling that makes the latter popular.

but overall I theorize Dancer will be most wanted for its support abilities above all else, which would be cool cause that gives Dancer the flexibility to use different subs to contribute with DD or support healing, or other side roles.
like BRD, I don't think people will care or even pay attention what Dancer does as long as their Dances keep coming to cripple the mob. so chances are their sub is really up to the Dancer, but ya I think a big factor will be the size of their mana pool is and if they have any abilities that regenerates MP, otherwise they might as well sub a fighter class.

I mostly agree, although I would point out that it seems very unlikely to me that dances will use MP, or that dancer will have any MP of its own; probably like Bard, they will only have MP if they have an MP-using subjob or MP equipment.

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: What will you Sub with Dancer?

I'll bet the 9 out of 10 Japanese Dancers will be using /WHM in the first month, no matter what the heck Dancer actually does.

[Nuriko]

Re: What will you Sub with Dancer?

Well, yes ... there are people who think /NIN will double your damage.

[Shadowneko]

Re: What will you Sub with Dancer?

Who knows? Previous incranations of Dancer have...well been the total opiste of bard. It could be a DD or even a tank with some sort of entrance-tye dance that makes the monsters fixated and less likely to attack.(sorry too much Rachet and Clank)

[jenova_9]

Re: What will you Sub with Dancer?

oh ya sorry! I shoulda realized /NIN doesn't = better damage, I have noticed the delay too.

ya I'm sure /WAR and possibly /WHM will be popular subs for Dancer. That will be repulsive though if dagger is the best weapon for them. I don't feel like skilling up dagger. I don't wanna level THF but I guess I should anyway for gil purposes. Might as well get a headstart to afford all that gear.

but ya Dancer should definitely not need MP to Dance. but hopefully the recast time is generous.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: What will you Sub with Dancer?

not saying that /BRD would be the only sub, but you can throw it out and say no, before looking at all the possibilities.

I can look at the history of dancer in the series and confidently say that a job that specializes in entrancing and crippling their enemies would probably benefit more from anything that wasn't /BRD or /COR.

/BRD is and extremely low tier subjob. Its something you sub if you are really hard-pressed to have a refresher in PT or be in a manaburn. The buffs are pretty weak. I'd expect what few buffs Dancer does get to be better than what they could gain from subbing BRD.

[jenova_9]

Re: What will you Sub with Dancer?

ya hopefully they don't hold back giving Dancer abilities/spells some effective results that make a signficant difference. Otherwise it might end up being ignored and unwanted like PUP and BST.

lol as for BRD, many people actually get a morale boost from seeing those music note icons appear on their screen. XD

[Karinya]

Re: What will you Sub with Dancer?

I would expect WAR, THF and NIN to be popular early, as people don't want to juggle figuring out dances *and* making effective use of a technical SJ. If it turns out that you don't need to spend that much time dancing, and/or dancers have B or worse dagger, then higher level dancers will probably combine their dances with supportive subs.

B dagger would look awfully unimpressive after 60. Even A dagger looks bad outside of main job SATA. And for that matter, daggers also have lousy WS at low levels, and non-SATA'd (or sub-SA only) Viper Bite probably isn't going to impress anyone either. Thieves often use another weapon. Dancers may or may not have that option.

Below level 30 or so /WHM might be used just because no other subjob gives you anything much worth noticing.

But all of that is subject to change once the actual mechanics of dancing become known. What does it do, how long does it take, does it need MP, can it be resisted, what are the limits on stacking, etc.

[jenova_9]

Re: What will you Sub with Dancer?

ya hopefully they can use a 1h sword, otherwise dagger would just force most people to just sub /WHM. But I'm sure Dancers can use maybe 1 or 2 other types of weapons, but not sure, I sorta doubt they can/need to use staffs, it wouldn't look right anyway. I have a strong feeling they can't use polearms, axes, katanas, or possibly knuckles either. This leads back to my theory that they might be able to use 1h swords, or maybe not, but ya I do agree /WHM has the best chance of Dancers winning invites in the early levels. But I'm not totally sure how much MP /WHM can bestow upon DCR to make use of.

ideally, it wouldn't make sense to sub War cause those are mainly tanking abilities until level 30 up. I would be surprised if /BLM makes them more useful, actually...hmmm, /BLM might be the ticket for better damage, even though their MP will most likely run dry after like 3 spells.

I'm really starting to believe /BLM will do much better in the early levels cause Dancer is being hinted at being an offensive job, you know kinda like the opposite of Bard, so why not enhance their offense capabilities with black magic and possibly more enfeebling capabilities. But overall, it's a tug of war cause support healing is always more welcome, I mean if you got a tank and DD, and maybe some other DDs/tanks, then you're pretty much all set with the damage dealing, now what's needed is healing and support healing.

I think I may in fact level BLM just in case, it could turn Dancer into a magical force to be reckoned with.

[wrongfeifong]

Re: What will you Sub with Dancer?

/whm ...that;s what they say for brd... and it pretty useless for brd most of the time.