What will you Sub with Dancer?

[Celeal]

Re: What will you Sub with Dancer?

Instead of picking a subjob that increase TP gain, how about picking a subjob that reduce the amount of TP usage?

For example, with DNC/BRD, stacking Drain Samba (En-Drain) with Paeon (HP Regen Song): That should cut down the usage of Curing Waltz.

I think the following songs are "economical" when stack with Drain Samba I/II
Lv. 05 song = Army's Paeon I (+1 HP per 3 seconds)
Lv. 15 song = Army's Paeon II (+2 HP per 3 seconds)
Lv. 25 song = Mage Ballad I (+1 MP per 3 Seconds) ----- Backline has more MP, to bridge the gap.
Lv. 29 song = Advancing March (Increase Ally Attack Speed)
Lv. 35 song = Army's Paeon III

Use Curing Waltz I/II as backup healing. Use MP for main healing (from Party's WHM, RDM, etc). The remaining TP should be delicated for Flourish.

Note: I do NOT think DNC's role as a "main healer." For "back up" healing, DNC/BRD should bring more than enough to the table.

/off topic ....

If you want TP, isn't SAM/DNC (yes, SAM as main job) make more sense? ... Joke XD

/off topic ended

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: What will you Sub with Dancer?

Dancer is a job that is going to need accuracy and TP more than anything else. With the TP Flourish and /SAM's Meditate, DNC may be able to stay self-sufficient and not Depend on a COR+SAM team to keep them loaded on TP.

Support/Support is just giving away and getting little back. A main job should be able to draw benefit from the subjob as a means of staying as self-sufficient as possible in thier main role, otherwise the subjob is a charity that does nothing for the player. I consider that a foolish way to play a job.

I had a BRD last week that went /COR to whore out Corsair's Roll in an ARROWBURN. Guess how helpful Support/Support was there?

Yeah, he died like three times. Had he subbed /NIN there would have been a smaller chance of that happening and had he /WHMed he wouldn't have had to HP two times.

COR/BRD
BRD/COR
DNC/BRD
DNC/COR

All sound good on paper, all great ways to hemmorage EXP and be totally defenseless.

[VZX]

Re: What will you Sub with Dancer?

I guess prematurely eating sushi shouldn't be bad >.>
as long as drain daze effect connects

[Celeal]

Re: What will you Sub with Dancer?

/SAM Mediate is lvl 60+, so what subjob a DNC is going to pick from 1 - 59?

/NIN DW II at 50.
/WAR Beserk at 30, Double Attack at 50.

At lower level DNC/SAM has Zenshin. At 51 we may be able to "fake" Hasso by swap in Elemental Staff -> Hasso -> swap back to Dagger. (With WAR/SAM I did equip G.Axe -> Hasso -> equip Axe, the Hasso icon and +STR remained, not sure with +ACC and Weapon speed).

At low ~ mid levels I think Drain Samba I/II + Paeon I/II is "self-sufficient."

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: What will you Sub with Dancer?

/SAM Mediate is lvl 60+, so what subjob a DNC is going to pick from 1 - 59?

/NIN DW II at 50.
/WAR Beserk at 30, Double Attack at 50.

At lower level DNC/SAM has Zenshin. At 51 we may be able to "fake" Hasso by swap in Elemental Staff -> Hasso -> swap back to Dagger. (With WAR/SAM I did equip G.Axe -> Hasso -> equip Axe, the Hasso icon and +STR remained, not sure with +ACC and Weapon speed).

At low ~ mid levels I think Drain Samba I/II + Paeon I/II is "self-sufficient."

When we're talking /SAM for Meditate, we're obviously talking 60+ Additionally, weapon swaps for DNC would kill thier primary means of support - TP.

But what is /BRD going to do for DNC after 20+? Might be nice for solo, but how is /BRD going to keep that TP coming and landing those hits? Madrigal will barely help and your PTs may not want Madrigal. Accuracy buffs can often be placebo buffs as most apt melee will have accuracy gear prepared. So you could end up singing that to try to get TP at the expense of a better buff for your PT. SAM's Store TP traits stack with Store TP gear and then at 60+ you'll have meditate.

Pre-50 is still up in the air, but /MNK is going to go out of style at some point and /NIN will become stronger as will /WAR. But can /SAM really be denied when DNC gets TP flourish? I think that's a hard one to turn away. Overall, though, I think DNC/melee sub is going to be better than forcing a support class sub on a support class main job for support's sake.

[Celeal]

Re: What will you Sub with Dancer?

When we're talking /SAM for Meditate, we're obviously talking 60+ Additionally, weapon swaps for DNC would kill thier primary means of support - TP.

But what is /BRD going to do for DNC after 20+? Might be nice for solo, but how is /BRD going to keep that TP coming and landing those hits? Madrigal will barely help and your PTs may not want Madrigal. Accuracy buffs can often be placebo buffs as most apt melee will have accuracy gear prepared. So you could end up singing that to try to get TP at the expense of a better buff for your PT. SAM's Store TP traits stack with Store TP gear and then at 60+ you'll have meditate.

Pre-50 is still up in the air, but /MNK is going to go out of style at some point and /NIN will become stronger as will /WAR. But can /SAM really be denied when DNC gets TP flourish? I think that's a hard one to turn away. Overall, though, I think DNC/melee sub is going to be better than forcing a support class sub on a support class main job for support's sake.

I never say /BRD to improve TP gain, I never mention any songs that are affected by singing skill, and I never mention ACC song.

What I am trying to say is, with Paeon + Drain Samba, the frequency of using Curing Waltz may reduced. It saves DNC's TP and main healer's MP, and help exp. flowing.

Added:
As for swaping staff for Hasso, you only swap-in when TP is very low (let say at 4~6 TP). Hasso last 5 min, recast timer 1 min. Within the 1 min ~ 5+ min interval there should be chances for swaping.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: What will you Sub with Dancer?

I know what you're saying. I'm just pointing our the other flaws. BRDs don't use Paeons past Qufim for a reason.

Paeons suck.

Seriously, if I wasn't soloing, having some PT downtime or fighting Maat, I never have had a good use for Paeons. They absolutely pale in comparison to what you can get from WHM's Regens.

[Endier]

Re: What will you Sub with Dancer?

At lower level DNC/SAM has Zenshin. At 51 we may be able to "fake" Hasso by swap in Elemental Staff -> Hasso -> swap back to Dagger. (With WAR/SAM I did equip G.Axe -> Hasso -> equip Axe, the Hasso icon and +STR remained, not sure with +ACC and Weapon speed).

I wasn't aware that this could be done. I always thought Hasso was good for 2h weapons only, because when looking at the discription of the ability in game it says for 2h weapons. Any how, using a 2h weapon then using hasso and changing to single handed weapon, would it really keep the full effect of hasso?

[Celeal]

Re: What will you Sub with Dancer?

I wasn't aware the this could be done. I always thought Hasso was good for 2h weapons only, because when looking at the discription of the ability in game it says for 2h weapons. But using a 2h weapon then using hasso and changing to singe handed weapon keep hasso effect?

I have tried this with my WAR/SAM a few months ago in exp. party, attempted to cap both G.Axe and Axe. The Hasso icon is there (on top of screen) and the +STR bonus is there (in Equipment Menu window). However, I was not sure about the ACC+ bonus and speed bonus.

[Dim Mahk]

Re: What will you Sub with Dancer?

IMO a DNC will be a new "type" of tank. lets face the facts. DNC/WAR will provoke, att, heal, debuff etc. And as anyone with a DNC job knows, doing dance moves create more hate. not to mention the fact that animated flo is a DNC's voke. All the baseline tools are there for the the final sum of it all.
With out TP, DNC is pointless.
Without Danceing, DNC is pointless.
Without the Danceing eff., DNC is meaningless.

[Armando]

Re: What will you Sub with Dancer?

DNC/BLU would be a better tank, and DNC/NIN has a chance to be better than /WAR as well.

Pre-50 /WAR offers two things: Provoke, and Defense Bonus I. No blood tank can use Berserk while tanking and get away with it. /BLU's Cocoon trumps Defense Bonus I by a mile, and you'd be able to use DD food no prob. /NIN offers shadows (damage reduction and hate loss prevention) and improved DoT. It's just a matter of holding hate.

[Dim Mahk]

Re: What will you Sub with Dancer?

Sounds good to me. I dont have BLU or NIN lvl'd. But its vets like you that offer the cherrie on top or fine tuning it needs.

Thanks for the input. mando

[Prons]

Re: What will you Sub with Dancer?

Why would Dancer sub WHM? Dancers don't use HP, and WHMs don't build TP, right?

[Malacite]

Re: What will you Sub with Dancer?

Speaking of COR, I'm betting DNC's Roll will be Regain. SCH Roll still baffles me though (and is off topic >. > so 'nuff of that)

[Ryoii/Nonomii]

Re: What will you Sub with Dancer?

Has anyone tested if Healing Magic skill improves Curing Waltz? There might be potential for /SCH if it does. B rank Healing Magic greatly improves BLU cures.