How are you preparing for Dancer?

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Unless the subsequent job announcement(s) blow me away, I'm pretty much decided I'll be doing Dancer from the day it starts until I hit the AF levels, in which I'll likely stop to take a break and see where it goes.

Without any other information to go on but the descriptions that exist, I've chosen to push four subjobs out of the way. I've also elected Kitten to be the Dancer between both characters.

THF, RDM, BLM and BLU are the subs I'm looking at. RDM is the only one I'd be starting from scratch on with kitten and that and BLM aren't going to be hard to finish.

They were hinted to have magic that rivals BLM's so I think BLM, BLU and RDM are good investments, particularly for MAB, Fast Cast and other traits you could gain. They're subs I eventually would have wanted worked out for COR anyway.

THF I needed for BLU sub also, But it seems like Dancers are DDs with some degree of enmity involvement as well, so I didn't want to put this one off much longer. Helps with farming in advance anyway.

WAR, WHM, NIN are already done. I'd do BRD if I didn't already have COR done and the subs are kinda the same-ish. /BRD still remains a low priority as I think is kinda pointless to sub something just for ballad (though I'm sure someone will swoop in to disagree). I just hate subjobs with no good job traits, BRD and NIN need some work from SE in that regard.

That aside I've started looking over enfeebling gear and acquiring some key daggers in advance as well. some of this stuff is just normal NM camping for me, so I'm just setting some stuff aside and selling the rest. Some people suspect CHR gear might be needed, but CHR is pretty easy once you get past 40 and if CHR were a factor for Dancer, I think Monster Signa would still likely be the same heap of crap it was to BRD and BST.

AGI gear isn't something I'm lacking since I'm already COR. Evasion gear could be something worth considering as well.

[Murphie]

Re: How are you preparing for Dancer?

Since I know nothing at all about the job, especially what kind of role it will play in the game, what stats will be important, or what kind of gear (beyond a dagger) that it can use, I'm not preparing for it at all. There is no preparation that I can conceive of that would have any bearing on a job that we know nothing about.

I mean, I guess you could cap your dagger skills.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: How are you preparing for Dancer?

Sharing ideas is how insight and other ideas are created. We take what we do know and can come up with some good plans and possibly good results. Even if we turn out to be wrong, we've gotten some bases covered and little time was wasted. And maybe a thought that hadn't been considered might come up that benefits all interested parties. Even if I'm wrong about the gear, I can turn around and sell it.

If you have no ideas to share, I can't imagine why you'd feel compelled to reply.

[Murphie]

Re: How are you preparing for Dancer?

I did have an idea to share. That idea was that there isn't any real way that you can prepare. You can spitball, and try to guess what the job might do and prepare for that, but otherwise, not so much.

I also shared the idea that it was probably smart to cap dagger skill.

Just because I didn't respond with an idea you found merit in doesn't mean that I didn't contribute.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: How are you preparing for Dancer?

I would say capping dagger is pretty obvious, but even if you didn't you'd probably do so along the course of the job anyway. I got two daggers to break, I don't think most people will be hurting on the dagger thing.

The only real thing we can speculate about daggers is the Rating and kinds of dagger Dancer would get. I don't expect them to be too far behind THF and COR on Daggers.

People keep saying we know nothing. We do know some stuff, what we don't know is the ultimate translation to FFXI. See before the RDM identity crisis in FFXI, Dancer had been the premiere enfeebler. We also know that Mog is probably far and away the most popular interpetation of the class.

While it may or may not retain the Geomancy elements Mog dabbled in, we do know that these dances are said to rival the highest sorcerer's spells, so magic is definitely there and its knack for enfeebling probably isn't too far behind

[jenova_9]

Re: How are you preparing for Dancer?

I'm gonna try Dancer/Warrior.

and if parties don't accept that or either Dancer/Monk, then I'll solo if I have to! XD

personally I don't believe Dancers will be limited to just knives.

plus we have to consider that Dancer will have all it needs for beginners who don't even have subjob unlocked yet. so it will learn some useful traits/abilities early on I'm sure.

so Dancer will definitely have skills up to lv. 18 that'll help it support the party without need of subjob but of course a sj would help.

[Balfree]

Re: How are you preparing for Dancer?

I hope DRG, SAM, THF amongst others are acceptable subs if not main subs.

WAR WHM BLM subs are getting old.

[jenova_9]

Re: How are you preparing for Dancer?

aaah hopefully they give Dancer some really useful job traits and abilities.

also do you think Dancer will have it's own class of spells?

I wonder if they would even count as magic since the Dances in FFT never consumed MP at all.

well it would be awesome if Dancer spells don't require MP.

so we're thinking about Traits, Abilities and Spells/Dances.

but I think the "Spells" should be regarded as different types of Dances, since I feel they shouldn't depend on a magic pool. oh ya and hopefully each ability/spell has plenty of graceful and unique dance animations for each one.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: How are you preparing for Dancer?

I hope DRG, SAM, THF amongst others are acceptable subs if not main subs.

WAR WHM BLM subs are getting old.

/BLM is actually underutilized as a subjob and /WAR actively discouraged in burn setups. /WHM may feel "old" but its utility cannot be denied. I want SE to change mobs so /WAR has to be a factor again, I'm sick of subbing Gimpja just people people are scared of getting hit or don't want to heal.

I do hope as far as other melee jobs go, SE does with some of them what they did with /SAM. A lot of the Advanced jobs are just very poor subjobs and don't feel like they were built for subjob use. Everyone thinks /NIN is overpowered or awesome, but to me it still feels very incomplete. When you sub /NIN, its for two things - Dual Wield and Utususemi - I think that's as lame as subbing /BRD only for Ballad.

I go RNG/NIN and I still have all the JAs I did before without subbing anything. I sub /WAR or /SAM and that list practically doubles. Each time I sub /NIN on COR part of me dies because I know I have nothing to reset with Random Deal or Wild Card. Being able to reset things like Divine Seal, Berzerk or Barrage is fucking hot and when I go /NIN I get nothing to reset from /NIN. Its just a meritpo sub for puller monkies. For the love of GOD give /NIN some JAs.

I'd like to see DRG get boosted as a sub, but High Jump's placement really kills a lot of potential. I'd like to see them lower that ability down to 25 or 30 to give it some space.

THF I'm just hoping gets a big overhaul in light of Dancer since Dancer may be another Dagger specialist. THF's problem is that its too good as a subjob to the point it damages it as a main job. THF needs more buffing on the post-37 side.

[Balfree]

Re: How are you preparing for Dancer?

Yea youre right BLM isnt used that much, i guess only RDM sub it nowadays.

[jenova_9]

Re: How are you preparing for Dancer?

well BLM is better served as a main class than a sub anyways, otherwise might as well sub RDM cause people are addicted to Refresh.

I would like for Dancers to equip Knuckles besides Daggers otherwise subbing MNK would be pretty useless.

but there's no telling if Dancers might get an exclusive new weapon class they can use, like Fans, Ribbons and Whips.

[Illuen]

Re: How are you preparing for Dancer?

well BLM is better served as a main class than a sub anyways, otherwise might as well sub RDM cause people are addicted to Refresh.

I would like for Dancers to equip Knuckles besides Daggers otherwise subbing MNK would be pretty useless.

but there's no telling if Dancers might get an exclusive new weapon class they can use, like Fans, Ribbons and Whips.

Tiny nitpick, but Refresh isn't subbable, unfortunately D=.

[Balfree]

Re: How are you preparing for Dancer?

All hell would break lose if it was.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: How are you preparing for Dancer?

I want the Refreshes to stay right where they are.

So all you little monkeys still dance for me.

[Kixxi]

Re: How are you preparing for Dancer?

I recently expressed on FFXIclopedia that I have an inkling that this job may be another Dual Wield one. I understand from previous FFs that Dual Wield did become a trademark NIN Job Trait (bar some of the earlier FFs where anyone could equip two weapons regardless) but my reason for this is that Dancers, IRL, are graceful with all aspects of their bodies, and coupled with the lightweight dagger, we may see them dancing about with this weapon in each hand.

Another reason I came to thinking this was from the old Warhammer Elvan Wardancers who used two weapons when they went into battle.

Being able to Dual Wield may reduce the need to sub /NIN all the time, and may lead this job to become another melee/mage DD hybrid - daggers coupled with "sorcerous cants" (maybe the two-hour could be the Moonwalk where all baddies on screen drop dead to the tune of Smooth Criminal).