Dancer new FFXI job? (attn Jei or any Japanese readers)

[Balfree]

Re: Dancer new FFXI job? (attn Jei or any Japanese readers)

Did anyone of you ladies get the quotes around the word third?

I know there's more tanking options. Do you see them actually tanking on a regular basis, like nins and plds? The ocasional war who either tanks or doesnt get invited doesnt count.

[Feba]

Re: Dancer new FFXI job? (attn Jei or any Japanese readers)

Did you ever think that JUST BECAUSE A JOB IS MEANT FOR ONE THING DOESN'T MEAN THE PLAYERS ACTUALLY USE IT FOR THAT?



SE could give us SuperAwesomeMegaCoolSweet tanks, and players would turn PLD into a backup cure job. The likelihood of SE ever managing to make more than two tanks is VERY SLIM because there's only so many ways tanking can work.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Dancer new FFXI job? (attn Jei or any Japanese readers)


I am in your Dragon's Aery, tangoing with your Fafnir.

[Ziero]

Re: Dancer new FFXI job? (attn Jei or any Japanese readers)

Did you ever think that JUST BECAUSE A JOB IS MEANT FOR ONE THING DOESN'T MEAN THE PLAYERS ACTUALLY USE IT FOR THAT?
SE could give us SuperAwesomeMegaCoolSweet tanks, and players would turn PLD into a backup cure job. The likelihood of SE ever managing to make more than two tanks is VERY SLIM because there's only so many ways tanking can work.

Adding another viable option to fill a role won't completely replace the previously existing classes that fill that roll.

SE could *easily* add another tanking job by creating a job that excels at tanking, similar to pld, while not being able to excel at other rolls. Wars DD more then tank because they're better DDs, Blus DD more then tank for the same reason. Every other job that 'can' tank in this game, besides Pld and Nin, can do something else *better*.

So all SE has to do is create another job that can mitigate dmg while holding hate.

[Balfree]

Re: Dancer new FFXI job? (attn Jei or any Japanese readers)

Then I guess something isnt very quite alright with FFXI.

But I guess not even the developers of the game can fix it! It's all in our hands.

Why dont people tank with said jobs? There must be something... some reason.

[Olorin401]

Re: Dancer new FFXI job? (attn Jei or any Japanese readers)

There needs to be a "No Thanks" Button just for Kessy's comment.

You haven't met my linkshell's resident "Party Boy".

I swear to Altana this guy wore a Vir Subligar to the ENM Mammets fight. As a SAM.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Dancer new FFXI job? (attn Jei or any Japanese readers)

Then I guess something isnt very quite alright with FFXI.

But I guess not even the developers of the game can fix it! It's all in our hands.

Why dont people tank with said jobs? There must be something... some reason.

Yeah, Utsusemi fucked blood tanking permanently, that's what. People are too spoiled on tanks that are more self-sufficient that if you are a WAR that wants to tank, you get chewed out for wanting to do so by the piss-pantsy healer in your PT.

[Feba]

Re: Dancer new FFXI job? (attn Jei or any Japanese readers)

Because the job that tanks in the way they do (for most potential tanks, PLD, for THF NIN) is BETTER AT THAT METHOD OF TANKING.

It has NOTHING to do with the job being able to do other roles-- look at PUP when it was crappy. People didn't use it because everything else was better at what it did.

[Olorin401]

Re: Dancer new FFXI job? (attn Jei or any Japanese readers)

You can tank with 4 very well:
Nin
Pld
War
Blu

I'd add PUP and SAM to this list, just 'cuz I've seen both jobs tank and tank WELL.

And I thought they were adding a new tank job in WoTG - Chocobo Knight..

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Dancer new FFXI job? (attn Jei or any Japanese readers)

It has NOTHING to do with the job being able to do other roles-- look at PUP when it was crappy. People didn't use it because everything else was better at what it did.

That is quite easily the most annoying aspect of FFXI. So longer as there's a class that does something "better," even if its only marginally better, its the "best" way to do things.

If you were told you had a 75% chance of rain today in real life, you'd take an umbrella or raincoat out with you for the day. If you're told you have a 75% chance of rain in FFXI, you wouldn't take the umbrella until the chance capped at 95%. That's how fucking stupid people get in this game.

[Balfree]

Re: Dancer new FFXI job? (attn Jei or any Japanese readers)

And to dare think for yourself, out of the box if you want to, don't you even try!

I think many problems could be solved if there were more options to manage hate. Right now only THF has the ability to play around directly with hate, not counting the regular provoke. Both TA and Provoke are the only skills i can think of that have a direct influence on hate. Who knows what a Dancer or other can bring to the table on that department.

Crazy ideas for geomancer... there's infinite ideas to be put to motion if you deviate from what you believe is normal. SE gave us pup, we werent expecting such a weird job, anyone who dared say Puppets should be implemented would be shot upon sight.

[Malacite]

Re: Dancer new FFXI job? (attn Jei or any Japanese readers)

I'm of the opinion that even a DRK should be able to tank fairly well, given that they can wear some pretty heavy armor.

The problem lies mostly in the DEF/VIT calculations and not so much Utsusemi. Yeah, it's a broken ability, but if PLD's were taking single-digit damage by end game do you think anyone would care?

[Feba]

Re: Dancer new FFXI job? (attn Jei or any Japanese readers)

BBQ and balfree, I think you're assuming that my statement of how things are is an endorsement of that.


SE kinda shot itself in the foot with shoving parties down people's throats. Look at games where you don't need a party for anything, people have a lot more freedom with their characters to do what they want, and be effective or suck however they like. In FFXI, you never even get the chance.

[Ziero]

Re: Dancer new FFXI job? (attn Jei or any Japanese readers)

Because the job that tanks in the way they do (for most potential tanks, PLD, for THF NIN) is BETTER AT THAT METHOD OF TANKING.
It has NOTHING to do with the job being able to do other roles-- look at PUP when it was crappy. People didn't use it because everything else was better at what it did.

Last I saw, Plds still tanked and tanked pretty damn awesomely. Meanwhile, when pts in their 60s ask *me* to tank I get the crap kicked out of me. War tanks are MP spounges until 74 when they get utsu-ni because the only way they can prevent Dmg is to up their Def. But doing that lowers their offensive abilities so they can't hold hate as well. Hell, most of my PTs have War tanks because Nins and Plds are so rare. But against an IT mob, having a dedicated tank who can mitigate dmg on their own is nice because it helps cut downtime to a minimum.

At endgame tanking becomes all but useless in EXP and your choices are even more limited for non-exp situations. As such, only very specific and more or less, pimped out non-nins-or-plds can tank as effectively as those two jobs because no other job could be as good as them.

And people didn't like Pup because it couldn't do anything better then other jobs, they didn't like it because it couldn't do anything *well* period. It was a weak DD, weak support and weak tank. Over time it's been boosted, but I can't say how effective it is now cause I haven't pted with one as of late.

That is quite easily the most annoying aspect of FFXI. So longer as there's a class that does something "better," even if its only marginally better, its the "best" way to do things.

And that's how it always has been and always will be. People will stat crunch and number punch till they find the 'best' way to do things in a game. Even if the difference is only 1 point. But that doesn't mean the majority of the community follows those beliefs. Because if it did we wouldn't see so many Drgs, Thfs, Whms, Smns, Pups, Drks etc etc. Just because a few people feel the need to find and be the best, doesn't mean you have to follow those ideas. And the simple fact that you lvled Cor to 75, despite it not being considered a 'best class' shows it can be done.

People still lvl Pld despite nin being 'better', and they'd certainly lvl any other new tank/support/DD job despite other classes being better.

[Feba]

Re: Dancer new FFXI job? (attn Jei or any Japanese readers)

Last I saw, Plds still tanked and tanked pretty damn awesomely.

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