Can BLU be healer in a PT?

[ospeff]

Can BLU be the main healer of a PT like WHM/RDM/SCH can?

Assuming BLU/WHM

I want to level a healer but I don't like WHM, already had a 65 rdm a long time ago, and I'm not sure about scholars...

[ShepardG]

Re: Can BLU be healer in a PT?

Um....hunh? That's a weird request, I don't think you'd get many parties. People are gonna be like: "Heal what? How about you hit the monster in the face with a head-butt instead??!! ZIDANE style!"

As for possiblity, yeah you probably could, just not very well, and not what the rest of your party would want for healing.

You may want to try Dancer, it has a realtivly unique role in party play, and is capable of providing good if not decent healing.

Honestly though, other's who have Level'd BLU may have more insight into this that I am un-aware of.

[Srxjo]

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i've had the odd BLU healer but that when your high in level like 50+ the one i remember the most was a male elvaan BLU/WHM using a light staff in the mires on imps

[Armando]

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A BLU can be a healer in a party but 1) you'll never be invited for that role and 2) you won't be on the same level as a WHM, RDM, or SCH.

How can you want to be a healer and not like White Mage anyways?

[Yellow Mage]

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and 2) you won't be on the same level as a WHM and maybe SCH.

FTFY: a Blue Mage can easily match or even surpass the healing abilities of a Red Mage.

Really, we even talked before about how abysmally underutilized Blue Mage main healing is, Armando, why in the world would you want to discourage it?

What I say to the OP is: go for it! Blue Mage is an incredibly versatile job, and more than capable of such a task. Horridly underadvertized, it is.

White Mage is, for all practical purposes, the king of healing (no matter what Merit parties want to trick themselves in to thinking . . . ), but since you apparently don't like its style, BLU/WHM and BLU/SCH are wonderful alternatives. Really, more people need to learn what Blue Mage is capable of, feel more than free to show them! It would be much appreciated by all involved, assuming you do a good job.

[Armando]

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FTFY: a Blue Mage can easily match or even surpass the healing abilities of a Red Mage.

Yeah, and a DRK can easily match or exceed the damage per hit of any DD in the game. But that's not what determines a DD's worth. That means diddly squat.

Considering SCH can use Regen II, AoE Phalanx and Stoneskin for damage mitigation, comes with its own form of -3HP/tick +3 MP/tick Refresh, and has the 10% MP conservation inherent to Light Arts, BLU doesn't come close to SCH's ability to main heal a party. On top of all that the SCH can also stick the traditional and ever-so-important Paralyze and Slow enfeebles on the mob while he's at it.

FTFY: a Blue Mage can easily match or even surpass the healing abilities of a Red Mage.

Really, we even talked before about how abysmally underutilized Blue Mage main healing is, Armando, why in the world would you want to discourage it?

Because that's not what I'm discouraging at all? I'm discouraging turning to BLU when looking for a healer job, because BLU isn't a healer. It's a job that can heal.

When someone says "I want to level a tank job," do we say "level WAR"? No. We all know there's only two jobs people turn to when looking for a tank: PLD and NIN. Suggesting WAR is setting up the person for disappointment.

[BurningPanther]

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I kinda got lost at there part where someone eager to heal doesn't like White Mage.

saywhat?

[ospeff]

Re: Can BLU be healer in a PT?

I don't like how 1-dimensional WHM are, mines 37 and I can't stand it, I'm going to get more levels on it just to get more teleport spells and thats it.

I liked RDMs for the stuff I could pull off with convert, refresh, and the 2 hours that makes spells instant, and I like the hybridness, I never used RDM for anything but healing but it was nice to have some decent damage spells.

If I went scholar, how do they compare offensively to RDM? I assume they have stronger black magic.

I've been away from this games for years so I'm not caught up on the new jobs.

[ShepardG]

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ospeff,

SCH's are like a Hybrid BLM/\WHM. I haven't lvl'd mine yet, but from the few dynamis run's I've been in, they seem to fill the Nuker roll with the BLM's pretty well.

As for Leveling them up, you'll probably be able to find parties on the regular since they can fill either a Dmg roll, or a Healing roll.

[Zempten]

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If a DD can get Haste and Cures, I don't care who's healing.

[aegina]

Re: Can BLU be healer in a PT?

Can BLU be the main healer of a PT like WHM/RDM/SCH can?

Assuming BLU/WHM

I want to level a healer but I don't like WHM, already had a 65 rdm a long time ago, and I'm not sure about scholars...

In my experience, Blue Mage is capable of it. I have had a Blu main heal on more than one occasion. I have also had a Blu tank on at least two occasions, so I know they're capable of that, too. Blu is a very versatile job.

But, it's not what people invite you for. Unless you're looking to solo or build your own pt's, the best idea would be to be ready to fill whatever role parties expect.

...oh, and "Liking to main heal but hating White Mage" isn't that odd. I liked main healing on Red Mage, but I hated playing White Mage.

[Durahansolo]

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I've heard of BLU filling in as a main healer just because nobody else was availiable to do so, so they went BLU/WHM when there was a refresher in the party. I was even in a party once in the Jungles where the JP RDM asked the BLU to go /WHM so he could heal the RDM??? Then of course the RDM got mad at the BLU when he cured anybody else lol. That was one of the biggest WTF parties I ever remember. I liked healing on BLU but I'd mostly be DDing. I remember when I first got Healing Breeze, I used it all the time to speed up downtime at lower levels.

[Celeal]

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I had also partied with a BLU/WHM who take over the role of main heal, while looking for a replacement of the SMN at level 70 in mire Imps camp. He done a great job and geared for that role: Diamond Hide, V.Cloak, Auto-Refresh, Sanction Refresh, Dark/Light Staff, cookies... etc. The party was down to 5 people and there was no RDM, COR, BRD, or other mages in that party.

IMHO, if you play BLU, your mindset should be flexible. As already mentioned in above posts, BLU has tools for healing. However, BLU also has other great tools, but you can can only pick a limited set of spells at a given time.

[Vyuru]

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I would probably go Blu/Sch rather than Blu/Whm. /Sch gives you all of the important ~na spells you'll be using, toss in a higher healing skill for a bit more of a boost to the Blu healing spells, and some better job traits than /whm offers, which is quite nice. Especially since it'll save you from setting spells for the conserve mp trait. Which sure, is only a few points and is cheap to set, but that may open up some other possibility for you which would be nice.

You give up Reraise, Curaga I/II, Erase and the Protectra/Shellra I/II line. However there are a few things to consider.

Reraise:

Yes stuff happens, but RR in a party situation is really not needed and I doubt that I would plan for a full party wipe situation for exp. And worst case scenario is that someone else /whm has RR on. Since you are talking a Blu main healer I would be surprised if the party didn't have a Brd, Rdm, or Smn. Although the Brd might be the one doing the pulling at this stage and if so would probably be /nin, but I have had Thf, Sam, or Rng pullers before at that level and they worked quite well.

Curaga I/II:

Healing Breeze has a soft cap of 180ish health cured. It costs 55 mp, under half of what Curaga II costs. So it's just as good as Curaga II at half the cost. I am more than happy to only use Healing Breeze for my AoE cures rather than the Curaga spells.

Erase:

Very useful spell and I'm not exactly happy to not be able to use it. However I'm willing to work around that, plus Blu does get Exuviation at level 75. An erase spell earlier would be nice, but for the range we're talking about, amnesia can't be removed except by the Ecphoria ring, and most other status affects that you will be hit with by Colibri or Imps can be taken care of with the ~na spells that /sch offers. I don't know much about Mamool, so I can't comment on if Erase is needed on them or not.

Protectra/Shellra, this one sucks to lose and Blu/Sch has nothing to offer to replace it sadly. Still though, I would be surprised if you didn't have someone else /whm, be it Brd or Rdm or Smn since you're talking a Blu main healer, so I don't think it's the Blu's job to provide the protect/shell in this situation.


Anyways, Blu as a healer can work quite well although I do somewhat agree with Armando in that it is not the idea healer, but it can do the job and do it as well or better than a Smn, which people will still invite to main heal at that level anyways, so I kinda view it as so what? The ideal job may not be available, or people may not accept what you consider ideal.

I like Whm/Sch for main healing, but watch how fast the party disbands when you invite one sometimes.

I wouldn't sell yourself as a Blu main healer, but be ready for the situation and know what to do when it does arise.
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Almost forgot, don't forget to pack along a light/dark staff. Blu healing spells are affect by the light staff and the dark staff will help you recover your mp faster.
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Oh, and another reason for /sch is for Sublimation at 70.

[Elwynn]

Re: Can BLU be healer in a PT?

I don't like how 1-dimensional WHM are, mines 37 and I can't stand it, I'm going to get more levels on it just to get more teleport spells and thats it.

Have you tried WHM in campaign? Maybe what you're really sick of is sitting at the back of the bus.