Blue mage and Black mage debuffs; Stackable?

[Yoko]

Ive been doing for a very long time in my static duo with a blm a combination of blue mage/black mage debuffs; I would do wild oats (vit down) which has the effect of choke, and she would do agi down and dex down usually. Now ive been wondering, do blue mage and black mage spells stack? I mean, usually you cna only have 2 stat debuff spells on a mob, but does this work with blue mage spells too?

For example with our duo, is vit down being overlapped by the third spell the blm casts? Ive been wondering about this because i am about to learn cold wave, and it does the frost effect on the mob. Now im wondering if it will work if i cast vit down (wild oats) and agi down (cold wave), and if they will still be on the mob when the blm will have casted her own 2 debuffs.

Anyone who could test this out in ballista please do so, or if anyone knows already please shed some light on this matter =)

Thanks!

[Pawkeshup]

Re: Blue mage and Black mage debuffs; Stackable?

I haven't tested this, however I think they would stack.

Remember, BLM debuffs are DoT, the others are not. Now if they would stack with, say, DRK spells, I dunno.

[Taskmage]

Re: Blue mage and Black mage debuffs; Stackable?

Yeah, when an elemental casts Choke on you, you recieve the effect of Choke. When a Many uses Wild Oats you recieve VIT Down. Two different status effects.

Pawkeshup has an interesting point though. That's what would really require testing. Not that most drks use those spells anyway.

[rheya]

Re: Blue mage and Black mage debuffs; Stackable?

You can actually have up to 3 BLM elemental debuffs on at one time:

Choke, Shock, Burn
-or-
Frost, Rasp, Drown

None in either set of three will overwrite each other, so it works. ">" means "overwrites the following spell" below:

Choke > Rasp > Shock > Drown > Burn > Frost > Choke

So as long as you don't have any two which are next to each other in the sequence, you can stack them.

If you've already applied Choke, and cast Frost, Frost will take effect and Choke will be overwritten. If you've already applied Frost, and cast Choke, your Choke will have no effect (it can't stack or overwrite the Frost already in place).

The only time I've ever used 3 at once though is to counter insane regen, like on Yovra UFO mobs in Al'Taieu.

[Yoko]

Re: Blue mage and Black mage debuffs; Stackable?

Alright then, but some blu spells like cold wave gives the mob the effect of Frost. How do you think this would go with blm magics? And another thing, spells like awful eye do the exact same effect as its blm counterpart; it lowers hp gradually and reduces STR. So would it be considered the same as drown?

What are your thoughts?

[Taskmage]

Re: Blue mage and Black mage debuffs; Stackable?

When you use the skill, does it say "recieves the effect of Awful Eye" or "recieves the effect of Drown?" If it says Drown then it likely doesn't stack with Drown, if it doesn't say it then it probably does stack.

[Yoko]

Re: Blue mage and Black mage debuffs; Stackable?

Hmmm, good point. I guess ill just have to go in ballista and test all of this out once i have some spare time, just to be sure...

[nanatsu]

Re: Blue mage and Black mage debuffs; Stackable?

Well I believe that with the right filters off you can see when a blm enfeeble overwrites another. If you were to cast Frost over Choke for example, you'd see a message like "The effect of Choke wears off." If you see this after casting cold wave over Choke then it may be that they don't stack.

[Icemage]

Re: Blue mage and Black mage debuffs; Stackable?

Depends on the effect. Similar effects usually either overwrite or take no effect.

Regarding Cold Wave, since it's a Frost effect, it will probably (a) not overwrite Frost, and (b) will probably remove any Choke effects active on the target.

Possibile incompatibilities:

Icebreak <> Bind
Blitzrahl / Temporal Shift / Headbutt / Frypan / Tail Slap <> Stun
Sandspin / Infrasonics <> Lunar Cry (Fenrir)
Myterious Light / Magnetite Cloud <> Gravity (RDM)
Poison Breath / Queasyshroom / Feather Storm <> Poison I (but not II)
Stinking Gas <> Choke / Rasp
Cold Wave <> Frost / Choke
Filamented Hold <> Slow, Hojo: Ni (might be able to overwrite Haste on enemies?)
Hecatomb Wave / Sandspray <> Blind
Radiant Breath <> Slow / Silence
Chaotic Eye <> Silence
Yawn / Sheep Song / Soporific <> Sleep
Sprout Smack <> Slow
Awful Eye <> Drown / Burn
Actinic Burst <> Flash
Diamondhide <> Stoneskin / Earthen Ward **
Light of Penance <> Blind / Bind

* Note that Pinecone Bomb deals damage, and will negate any Sleep effects, so it technically doesn't interact in that fashion, though I can't imagine wanting to overwrite a Sleep II to use this.

** Diamondhide will not overwrite a Stoneskin spell from what I've experienced.


Icemage

[klvino]

Re: Blue mage and Black mage debuffs; Stackable?

You can already stack Sandspin(acc down), with Battle Dance(Dex down), with Rasp(Rasp effect = Dex down), Blind, and Flash.

Frightful Roar(Def down) and Wild Oats(VIT down) stack with Choke(Choke effect=VIT down).

The next question a BLU should be asking is, which debuffs will Quick Draw enhance, if any? It most likely will not enhance debuffs from physical based spells, but will it enhance the magic-based ones due to their elemental attribute? That should be tested.

[Araius]

Re: Blue mage and Black mage debuffs; Stackable?

For spells I've used anyways, based on what they say:

Sandspin says "effect of Accuracy Down". Should stack with any sort of DEX down, Rasp, Blind, or Flash.
Sound Blast says "effect of INT Down". Should stack with Burn, since they're 2 different effects.
Wild Oats and Stinking Gas say "effect of VIT Down". Both should stack with any form of Choke, but will not stack with each other.
Awful Eye says "effect of STR Down". Definitely stacks with Terror Touch, which says "effect of Attack Down". Both should stack with Drown.
Multiple poison spells, like Queasyshroom, Poison Breath, and Venom Shell, do not stack in any way, shape, or form, with either each other or any BLM or RDM poison spell.