IMPORTANT: SE Lied to us + Information on BLU

[Spazz]

I know this post will be long, but please take the time to read this as it is vital to understanding BLU and how it works…

First of all… let me address some things SquareEnix has said about Blue Mage.

-2-hour ability: Azure Lore (Level 1)
Enhances the effect of blue magic spells.
- Chain Affinity (Level 40)
Makes it possible for your next "physical" blue magic spell to be used in a skillchain. Effect varies with TP.
- Burst Affinity (Level 40)
Makes it possible for your next "magical" blue magic spell to be used in a Magic Burst

NOW! First of all… Burst Affinity is Lv25 – NOT Lv40. This is the first of many things that were said that is false… please pay attention.

LEARNING BLUE MAGIC!
SquareEnix has said the following:

- You can only learn the special abilities of monsters when blue mage is set as your main job.
- You have a chance to acquire blue magic when defeating a monster that has used a learnable special ability.
- It is not possible to learn blue magic that is too far above your level.
- You will not acquire blue magic if you are KO'd when a monster is defeated, or the defeated monster does not yield experience points.

Now… this is where it gets complicated. YES, you have to be BLU main to learn spells. YES, you have to defeat the monster and not die. NO! You do not have to gain EXP from the monster to learn it! . . . here, let me repeat that one for you . . . NO!!!! YOU DON’T HAVE TO GAIN EXP!!! You can learn moves from Too Weak monsters or even have a Lv75 Friend help you by holding the monster until the monster performs the attack, and then make then kill. You don’t get EXP either way you do it, but you can learn skills. Another thing is you can also learn moves that are way the hell before the time you can actually use them… EXAMPLE: I was in the dunes and my party was killing Pugils. I was lvl 14… all of a sudden, we killed a pugil and BAM! I learned Screwdriver. Now for those of you who do not know, Screwdriver is lv26. “That cant be!” some people have told me… but it is happening all the time! Check with some of your friends who play BLU some of them probably have learned moves beyond their time to use them. THUS, after research with checking in on people from all lvls and learning the patterns of this… I have come to the conclusion that you can learn a move if you are fighting a monster type that uses the move… doesn’t matter if the lvl for the spell is 50+ … you can learn it at Lv10 if you can find a monster of the same type that does it.

NOW! Here comes the whole “Blue Physical Magic is effected by TP” deal….

I have been playing BLU for 3 days now.. Im in my 30s now and I can tell you this… TP doesn’t do shit! I have spent hours in EXP parties experimenting with this and its simple facts that TP doesn’t effect your physical spells until you get Chain Affinity and actually activate it. Here is my proof:

Bludgeon is Lv18. It’s a great 3 hit move… at 0%TP my spell did 3 damages. At 100%TP my spell did the same 3 damages. At 200% and at 300% my spell did the exact same damages. And here is what the damages here: … 1-35… 36-75… 76-120. Now here is my conclusion… like the WS “Combo”, if one of the three hits misses, it lowers the damage caused. THUS, 3 different damages for 3 different hits. Make sense, if it doesn’t reread this or have a BRD play an INT song on you so you can comprehend that TP DOESN’T EFFECT NORMAL CASTING! Im confident that TP only effects the spell when Chain Affinity is activated.

[tomfin10]

Re: IMPORTANT: SE Lied to us + Information on BLU

I knew about the TP thing, but I had no clue that you didn't need to gain EXP to learn an ability and that Burst Affinity is LV 25. Thanks for sharing this information.

[Jei]

Re: IMPORTANT: SE Lied to us + Information on BLU

hmmmm maybe some over look on SE part. Makes learning easier tho.

another over look - no armor storer in al zahbi
I'm taking my AF set I will need and putting them in locker instead now

[Icemage]

Re: IMPORTANT: SE Lied to us + Information on BLU

another over look - no armor storer in al zahbi
I'm taking my AF set I will need and putting them in locker instead now

You can leave it in storage. Set your HP in Al Zhabi or Whitegate and use the Warp NPC to travel back to Jeuno if you need your armor.


Icemage

[ifandbut]

Re: IMPORTANT: SE Lied to us + Information on BLU

NOW! Here comes the whole “Blue Physical Magic is effected by TP” deal….

I have been playing BLU for 3 days now.. Im in my 30s now and I can tell you this… TP doesn’t do shit! I have spent hours in EXP parties experimenting with this and its simple facts that TP doesn’t effect your physical spells until you get Chain Affinity and actually activate it. Here is my proof:

Bludgeon is Lv18. It’s a great 3 hit move… at 0%TP my spell did 3 damages. At 100%TP my spell did the same 3 damages. At 200% and at 300% my spell did the exact same damages. And here is what the damages here: … 1-35… 36-75… 76-120. Now here is my conclusion… like the WS “Combo”, if one of the three hits misses, it lowers the damage caused. THUS, 3 different damages for 3 different hits. Make sense, if it doesn’t reread this or have a BRD play an INT song on you so you can comprehend that TP DOESN’T EFFECT NORMAL CASTING! Im confident that TP only effects the spell when Chain Affinity is activated.

Ok, here I think you "spazzed" out on the whole thing.

Regarding Blue Magic
The help text for blue magic contains various types of information.
...
2. Spell effect
The TP information included in "physical" blue magic spells is applicable when using the job ability "Chain Affinity."

I take this to be meaning that TP wont make a difference in blue magic effect untill level 40 when we learn Chain Affinity. So, hold you judgment untill you hit 40BLU and read the patch notes all the way through. Patch notes are your friend.

[tazirai]

Re: IMPORTANT: SE Lied to us + Information on BLU

I know this post will be long, but please take the time to read this as it is vital to understanding BLU and how it works…

First of all… let me address some things SquareEnix has said about Blue Mage.



NOW! First of all… Burst Affinity is Lv25 – NOT Lv40. This is the first of many things that were said that is false… please pay attention.

LEARNING BLUE MAGIC!
SquareEnix has said the following:



Now… this is where it gets complicated. YES, you have to be BLU main to learn spells. YES, you have to defeat the monster and not die. NO! You do not have to gain EXP from the monster to learn it! . . . here, let me repeat that one for you . . . NO!!!! YOU DON’T HAVE TO GAIN EXP!!! You can learn moves from Too Weak monsters or even have a Lv75 Friend help you by holding the monster until the monster performs the attack, and then make then kill. You don’t get EXP either way you do it, but you can learn skills. Another thing is you can also learn moves that are way the hell before the time you can actually use them… EXAMPLE: I was in the dunes and my party was killing Pugils. I was lvl 14… all of a sudden, we killed a pugil and BAM! I learned Screwdriver. Now for those of you who do not know, Screwdriver is lv26. “That cant be!” some people have told me… but it is happening all the time! Check with some of your friends who play BLU some of them probably have learned moves beyond their time to use them. THUS, after research with checking in on people from all lvls and learning the patterns of this… I have come to the conclusion that you can learn a move if you are fighting a monster type that uses the move… doesn’t matter if the lvl for the spell is 50+ … you can learn it at Lv10 if you can find a monster of the same type that does it.

NOW! Here comes the whole “Blue Physical Magic is effected by TP” deal….

I have been playing BLU for 3 days now.. Im in my 30s now and I can tell you this… TP doesn’t do shit! I have spent hours in EXP parties experimenting with this and its simple facts that TP doesn’t effect your physical spells until you get Chain Affinity and actually activate it. Here is my proof:

Bludgeon is Lv18. It’s a great 3 hit move… at 0%TP my spell did 3 damages. At 100%TP my spell did the same 3 damages. At 200% and at 300% my spell did the exact same damages. And here is what the damages here: … 1-35… 36-75… 76-120. Now here is my conclusion… like the WS “Combo”, if one of the three hits misses, it lowers the damage caused. THUS, 3 different damages for 3 different hits. Make sense, if it doesn’t reread this or have a BRD play an INT song on you so you can comprehend that TP DOESN’T EFFECT NORMAL CASTING! Im confident that TP only effects the spell when Chain Affinity is activated.

Good fins Question is though, Is blue magic skill high?
What about accuracy/magic accuracy gear?
Att gear hav eany effect on this? Since Bludgeon is strength based did you have any food to boost str or such?

I have some Blue friends on Ramuh, Bulk comes to mind he was level 26 day after game service began. He was Blu/whm while solo and went to blu/war for PT's and was saying it made a difference.

Whats your take on that?

[Taskmage]

Re: IMPORTANT: SE Lied to us + Information on BLU

Well first of all, I think "SE lied to us" is more inflamatory than necessary. Clearly they were wrong, but saying omg they lied implies that they're sitting back in their big chairs giggling while we act on bad information. I prefer to think that the program is either bugged and doesn't operate on the designed spec, or there was bad communication between development and public relations that led to inaccurate information being published. It certainly wouldn't be the first time either of those things had happened.

About learning blue magic I'm just confused. The only correct information we seem to have on that is you must be blu main, the mob must die, and you must not. I'm told the mob doesn't even necessarily have to use the ability for you to learn it. So all the constraints of level and experience that I had been working with when I wrote my guide appear to simply not exist or not be properly implemented. If those limits are supposed to be in place, I could easily imagine a situation where those rules were flagged off for testing purposes and then forgotten about for release.

The TP thing was actually in the patch notes. "The TP information included in "physical" blue magic spells is applicable when using the job ability 'Chain Affinity.'"

[Nodachi]

Re: IMPORTANT: SE Lied to us + Information on BLU

I wonder if those were old notes that got published or it had been lost in translation.

About the TP thing though, I think it's a bit early for you to say seeing you're not 40 yet. I took it the same way ifandbut took it in that the TP won't effect it until level 40 where you can use it for skillchains.

Great finds though, especially on the not requiring EXP from a mob.

[WishMaster3K]

Re: IMPORTANT: SE Lied to us + Information on BLU

So i can go to Dynamis and learn the lvl 75 move from the Dynamis Lord? >.> Can't wait.

[Khidir]

Re: IMPORTANT: SE Lied to us + Information on BLU

Wouldn't it be more effective to send the information to SE than just making a flame?

nice avatar wishmaster

[Akai]

Re: IMPORTANT: SE Lied to us + Information on BLU

dont send it to SE! ; ; i wanna learn blu magic from too weaks etc etc <_<

[Spazz]

Re: IMPORTANT: SE Lied to us + Information on BLU

I have sent this information to the comments of SquareEnix....

Thank you to all that replied... I am sorry about the whole "SE Lied to us" thing. It was immature of me, and I admit to it. I was extremely pissed that they sent out all this info and it wasnt accurate... making BLU a more comlex and confusing job.

As for the STR boost and stuff.... I have been using my STR+2 rings and my Spike Necklace for melee purposes is... I just tried taking them off and do not notice too big of a difference. only by about 10 points. But the consistancies are still there...

If you have any questions or theories you would like me to test for you, please post them or PM me... I want to give the correct, accurate info to help others with BLU. AND YES, I will be writing a HUGE guide on BLU once things are answered.

[DakAttack]

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I'd like proof that you can learn something from too weak. The harder they are, it seems the easier it is to learn. Proving you can learn abilities from too weak should be extremely difficult.

[Khidir]

Re: IMPORTANT: SE Lied to us + Information on BLU

I would like some screenshots of blu magic if you don't mind for guys who can't play and would look nice on the website im working on.

Also can you test all possible job traits? and compile it would help much

[Spazz]

Re: IMPORTANT: SE Lied to us + Information on BLU

I will start making a list of job traits... as for the proof, go do it yourself. Ive learned everything I can thus far... sorry, I cant even if I wanted to. So find someone to go do it... I cant. Just trust me.... many MANY people have done it... I did it with Bludgeon, Blastbomb, and Battle Dance.