Weighing in on BLU (split from RDM forum)

[Tirrock]

Re: Anyone else here miffed Blu has A- sword skill?

I didn't see BLU added to somepage's listing of ridill. I haven't actually looked at a ridill though to see if somepage overlooked it or not.

I think it's sort of silly to get jealous over BLU using swords though.

[Patchinko]

Re: Anyone else here miffed Blu has A- sword skill?

I editted my post as you posted that.

(Easy to confuse the sword names after a year off from this game, you'll have to excuse me hehe)

[Tirrock]

Re: Anyone else here miffed Blu has A- sword skill?

I can (and just did) confirm that BLU can't use joyuse. COR can, however.

In all honesty, I'm surprised that BLU can't use a ridill. It seems like it would match their weapon type pretty well.

[Armando]

Re: Anyone else here miffed Blu has A- sword skill?

Yeah, but with their physical attacks tied to TP...imagine what they could do with a Ridill

[Patchinko]

Re: Anyone else here miffed Blu has A- sword skill?

Kind of surprising that they can't use either, don't you think? Ah well, there goes the dreams of using Joy with BLU.

Also, thought that COR was going to be using guns more than swords. Maybe the Joy concession is for soloing...? Interesting itemization.

[Tirrock]

Re: Anyone else here miffed Blu has A- sword skill?

Yeah, but with their physical attacks tied to TP...imagine what they could do with a Ridill

It'd be as broken as WAR/NIN with it, or THF/NIN.

[WishMaster3K]

Re: Anyone else here miffed Blu has A- sword skill?

Oh shit, wth. Patchinko!?!?!?!?!?!!?

>.<!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

/swoon

[Karinya]

Re: Anyone else here miffed Blu has A- sword skill?

It's a Fafnir drop, it's supposed to kick ass. Think what a WAR/NIN can do with a Ridill... do you really think that physical blue magics are going to outperform Rampage with a Woodville's or Jugg MH? (The WAR is also much more likely to double attack during the WS than even a BLU/WAR, because of AF, AF2 and DA merits - and that's assuming DA is even *allowed* to trigger on physical blue magics!)

They should *at least* get Seiryu's Sword. Which isn't nearly as good as Justice and probably not even as good as Joyeuse, but hell, at least it's *something* that's a step forward over Senior Gold Musketeer's Scimitar or Rune Blade. (They can reportedly use Shiva's Shotel. Good luck with that.) Martial Anelace and Dissector could be decent - *if* their special bonuses affect physical blue magic performed while wielding them, which we can't really know at this point.

RDM get Joyeuse, Justice, Excalibur and BLU are (apparently) *more* melee dependent; what do they get? Jack. Seiryu's and Ridill are just about the only falchions they *don't* get. Why is it so wrong for one "melee mage" to get powerful swords, but ok for another?

I don't see why people think RDMs would want BLUs to be gimp. They don't have refresh, good heals, and Chainstun, they're not threatening my party/dynamis/hnm slot, and probably not duplicating my solo style either. But they might be fighting alongside me and I'd love to see a mage busting out 800 damage vorpals on an exp mob - or even 500.

[BurningPanther]

Re: Anyone else here miffed Blu has A- sword skill?

RDM get Joyeuse, Justice, Excalibur and BLU are (apparently) *more* melee dependent; what do they get? Jack. Seiryu's and Ridill are just about the only falchions they *don't* get. Why is it so wrong for one "melee mage" to get powerful swords, but ok for another?

And why is it wrong for one "melee mage" to be powerful with swords, and the other just barely okay with them?

I don't want BLU to be gimp, I only ever used them to cmpare to RDM, just like my WHM comparison(now THEY do need to be gimp... no WHM needs to run around Hexa Striking stuff like he ain't got no sense--sorry, I think my hatred just showed through). I personally only ever wanted just a little more melee love. JUST A LITTLE MORE MELEE LOVE!!! /drops to his knees and cries out to the heavens.

[arkaine23]

Re: Anyone else here miffed Blu has A- sword skill?

I don't think anyone's suggested they want blu gimped. After all, with our merits (sword anyway) current endgame rdm's will make pretty good blu's. More like how about you toss RDM (the other melee-mage hybrid, who hasn't seen significant change or good equip adds in a long time) a tiny bone in the sword dept SE (?) is what I'd like anyway. I mean it's not like our poor base melee stats, busy casting regimen, need to swap staves for magic accuracy to land things, and occaisional need to take a knee because of our heavy casting role don't already prevent us from meleeing in xp.

It's just that blu seems to be able to:

nuke effectively (mp cost)
enfeeble effectively (mp cost)
melee effectively plus flexible skillchain & MB option independent of their native WS
has some cures and defensive buffs
wear a lot of decent equipment (exception: uber endgame swords)
equip extra stats from both equipment AND spells

And is limited by- MP expenditure and the need to recover mp. The number of spells equippable and their blu point cost at any given time.

That's a whole lot of capability, not even delving into subjob choice. Red Mage has a whole lot of capability, but most of it is mediocre at xp levels. And our best abilities are endurance/survivability/mob control.

There's a big difference in the 2 jobs and I see that balance is being preserved for the most part. What bugs me is- I can't even enfeeble well with a sword in my hand. My sword skill is pretty lame even merited. Why oh why are there not elemental swords or some other slot's item that has the elemental staff attributes? Why is my the best weapon to have in a RDM's hand a weapon we have no native skill in?

[Armando]

Re: Anyone else here miffed Blu has A- sword skill?

It's a Fafnir drop, it's supposed to kick ass. Think what a WAR/NIN can do with a Ridill... do you really think that physical blue magics are going to outperform Rampage with a Woodville's or Jugg MH? (The WAR is also much more likely to double attack during the WS than even a BLU/WAR, because of AF, AF2 and DA merits - and that's assuming DA is even *allowed* to trigger on physical blue magics!)

This is true, but we really don't know how powerful high-level physical Blue Magic will be But you bring up a good point. WAR/NIN and THF/NIN are already pretty broken with a Ridill.

By the way, am I the only one who's excited by the fact that they changed Cursed Sphere from Darkness damage to Water damage? Can anyone check if Barwatera cuts down Cursed Sphere damage against flies now?

Oh yeah, and a 50-ish job trait for RDM that gives swords elemental stave attributes when Enspell'd WOULD be cool :3 But I'm sure someone would call out "nerf!" XD

[Aeni]

Re: Anyone else here miffed Blu has A- sword skill?

BLU can tank. Maybe.

BLU/WAR ... any thoughts? Do they have shield skill? How are their stats? Hmmm....

[arkaine23]

Re: Anyone else here miffed Blu has A- sword skill?

That at least appears to be a blu weak area. Very few sheilds are Blu equippable. And while I have yet to here a full list of Blu skill cap ratings, I'm betting Blu shield skill is abysmally low like drk and blm.

[Armando]

Re: Anyone else here miffed Blu has A- sword skill?

BLM and DRK don't have shield skills XD Even though DRK can use the better shields in the game.

It seems Cursed Sphere isn't the only attack that's had its element changed. Hecatomb Wave was Darkness-based, but is now Wind-based as Blue Magic, despite it still inflicting Blind. Mysterious Light used to be Light damage + Gravity, now it's Wind damage + Gravity. The patch did say some mob TP moves have been changed in accordance with the release of Blue Magic, I need to check that out...

And yeah, I do think this discussion now belongs more in the BLU forum than in the RDM forum :3

[tazirai]

Re: Weighing in on BLU (split from RDM forum)

I like how just because mage is at the end of a job name its already lumped to the back line where SQUARE said its both.. silly players.. Hav efun with blue ^^ i'll most likely blu/sam blu/war or blu/whm depending on the PT or situation not all "mages" need /whm at the end .. sheesh.