The new video and Magic Skills

[Wiseman40]

After seeing the new video I do believe that Bomb Toss (or at least something very similar) will be a blue mage spell. Everything being cast in the video was a least a little familiar.

That being said, where will some of these spells fall in the magic skills?

Obviously, spells that are water, fire, etc will likely be elemental magic.

I'm more concerned with where certain spells will fall that don't have a simple answer.

Using bomb toss as an example, will it fall under fire, thus elemental, being that goblins are associated with fire, and that it's an explosion?

Also, will abilities that come from funguar fall under dark magic, because funguar are dark, or would they fall under other categories depending on what they actually do, like enfeeble?

It may also be possible that none are correct, and that a new magic skill will be used...

I'm curious in part because I plan on trying to sub blu, and am trying to get an idea on what sort of spells I can expect to use effectively with various main job choices.

[Hyrist]

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From what was said, the abilities seem to be strictly monster-family based. Meaning that blue mages should be studying the same interactions that Bsts have to normally. My guess is that casting against the system will result in a much higher resist and evasion rate, while working with the system assures added potancy and accuracy.

But thats just my guess.

[WishMaster3K]

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Woot, hyrist changed his color. Yeah, BLU is going to be an extremely TACTICAL job, what with having a limited set of ability "slots" (sans, FF9), meaning that in addition to LEARNING the right moves, you need to EQUIP the right moves (sulk sulk), meaning you need to plan ahead of time. In addition, it's a melee/mage job, so that means you'll need proficient experience in both areas.

As seen by the video, some nooby melee was running the controls, efficiently sucking. (who the hell get's interrupted anymore -.- i swear, when I saw him NOT casting after the mob swung, I wanted to yell at the screen,) And conversely, give the controls to someone who only knows mage, you'll have a job that wont space it's abilities out.

It's fairly evident that this job will depend on MP, and unlike BLMs and SMNs, BLUs don't seem like they can afford to blow all their MP in one battle. It'll be interesting to watch. It means another job that i'll HAVE to Refresh. (DRKs fall in the greyed "every 3-4 fights" area lolz)

[LadyPeorth]

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BLU will not have MP worries. Grab some high levels and take your level 1 BLU to Upper Delkfutt's. Ask them to kill a Magic Pot and learn Battery Charge. Free ether!

[nanatsu]

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BLU will not have MP worries. Grab some high levels and take your level 1 BLU to Upper Delkfutt's. Ask them to kill a Magic Pot and learn Battery Charge. Free ether!

Won't work. According to the info we've gotten so far BLU can only learn a spell if within a certain level from the monster. And I think the mobs on upper delk are way too above lvl 1 for that. :p

[neighbortaru]

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nanatsu is correct, it won't work. the devs said you must be within a certain level range of your target mob to learn it's abilities.

furthermore, only a selection of monster abilities will be available on release. they will add more with updates, but don't expect to be learning everything under the sun.

[Khidir]

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Ya lol you have to get exp from the mob in order to learn the spell as well be in a certain distance

Wiseman can you post the vid that you saw?

[LadyPeorth]

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Okay then. Probably get Battery Charge around level 28-29 off the Magic Pots in Lower Delkfutt. That sound a little more reasonable?

Edit:

Ya lol you have to get exp from the mob in order to learn the spell as well be in a certain distance

Wiseman can you post the vid that you saw?

Pots at Upper Delkfutt's give EXP at level 75, and stealthing up to the point where you can pull them is not that difficult. Long as you stay just out of Mysterious Light Range and they are silenced, you can easily drag a level 1 up there.

[Spazz]

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did you ever think that maybe the Blue Mage magic skill will not fall under Elemental Magic... maybe it will be under Blue Magic. lol.

As far as the MP based spells... no one knows for sure yet. No one should assume anything. FFX version of Blue mage was MP based... but also consider the possiblities of it being like BRD in the sense that it couldnt cost MP at all. im just saying, not assume anything until they announce it for sure.

[Karinya]

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Battery Charge may not be learnable at all - it's implied that some monster specials will be learnable and some won't.

If it is learnable, it will probably have a level requirement (even if that's only based on the level of the weakest pots in the game, there aren't any *really* low level pots - I think Garlaige or Fei'Yin have the lowest, actually). It may also cost a lot of setup points (it doesn't do you much good if it's the ONLY spell you can use; setup points increase with level).

Incidentally, is there any information about when you can change your setup points? Anytime you're not fighting? Every X minutes? Only in town areas? Only in Mog Houses and Nomad Moogles? Only in Mog Houses and *not* Nomad Moogles?

It may have a long casting and/or recast time to limit spamming (I consider this very likely if it's learnable at all; you can reliably get more MP with Refresh and Ballad too, but only at a certain maximum rate.) It may not reliably return much more MP than its cost (or the MP gained may increase with level/skill, making it less useful at low levels).

Battery charge may or may not be a useful and practical way to increase your available MP supply, but I really, really doubt that any job is going to get a "free infinite MP" ability.


As for the wider question of whether blue magic will use existing magic skills based on the specific effect produced (elemental, enfeebling and perhaps dark based on the abilities shown so far), or a new Blue Magic skill, I would bet on the latter. Summoning, ninjutsu and singing all have their own skills, and it seems that blue magic will be at least as different from white/black magic as those are.

Is it significant that *no* enhancing or healing blue magic has been shown to date? The official BLU description only refers to "decimating their enemies from afar" with blue magic, not to strengthening themselves or allies with it; this would be a significant departure from blue magic in previous FFs, but so is FFXI summoning.

[Coinspinner]

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I can't imagine blue magic suddenly changing element from what it is when it's used on players.

Another question is how the damage is determined. I find it more likely that each ability will have a new damage formula for player use instead of whatever is used by NPCs.

[LadyPeorth]

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Blue Mage's abilities will have elemental bases if they have one or they'll be physical based (Sickle Slash for example). They will probably all fall under the Blue Magic category.

The lowest level Magic Pots are level 28-29 in Lower Delkfutt's Tower, and I do take into account the recast/casting time. Regardless of those, a free ether every so often is pretty nice. If it isn't learnable, it isn't learnable and it slightly alters the strategy.

I frankly still feel a BLU could probably tank very well depending on how many if any enhancing skills they receive. There are plenty of monster enhancing techniques that annoy us to no end (Airy Shield/Magic Barrier, Scissor Guard, Cocoon, Rhino Guard, Whistle, Thorn Song). We just hafta wait and see what BLU gets enhancing wise.

If however, BLU receives no enhancing spells, expect BLU to be limited to WHM sub and being able to take over a pseudo BLM or DRK type, relying on either physical based skills or magic based.

[Jei]

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I think they will, like the crab's scissor guard is one I'm thinking about. If anything their solo style maybe very close to Rdm, with debuff like dark spore and spider web being a stronger version of blind and slow, and scissor guard being a stronger version of phalanx?

[Wiseman40]

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Well I hope that for the sake of subbing blu, that there wouldn't be a blue magic category. It doesn't actually fall under the current system.

Black mages don't use a black magic skill, they use a variety of skills like elemental, enfeebling, and dark magic. Likewise, red mages don't have red magic and white mages don't have white magic.

However, summoners obviously have summoning magic so we'll see what happens...

[Jei]

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Since they have mage in their name, hopefully they'll share those skills. But look at ninja, they use their own ninjutsu skill too : / I'm feeling like they'll have their own skill set. Just a superstitious.