Interesting tidbit on Elemental Seal's potency

[Armando]

I found out today I can consistently Sleep IT mobs (Garden of Ru'Hmet Ghrahs, Abraxas, Tavnazian Ram) on my 75PLD/20BLM without Dark Staff for full duration. On the other hand I got a full resist and a face full of dirt against an Abraxas on 20BLM/10WHM.

Lesson learned: ES is pretty epic but it can't overcome a 60 level difference.

[Yellow Mage]

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And it's official: I now hate Black Mage.

[Mhurron]

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ES is pretty epic but it can't overcome a 60 level difference.

You thought it would?

[Armando]

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No. But I still learned my lesson (hint: I died in the process.) And I was rather surprised that I still got unresisted Sleeps on an IT with a Level 20 BLM's Enfeebling skill.

[Cotners]

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I have had a feeling that ES scaled up with you, kind of like how if you /sch at 75, regardless of job (from what I can tell) and you use light or dark arts it bumps up your respective skills to a B+. I believe ES takes your job level and gives you an A+++ in whatever spell you cast.

[Gyotsha]

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Don't forget your int as a 75 pld is way above that of a level 20 blm, so that helped

[Mhurron]

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I believe ES takes your job level and gives you an A+++ in whatever spell you cast.

That wouldn't really explain how it acts with BLM which already has a A+ in Elemental.

It adds magical accuracy to your next cast, and it's probably a flat, though large, number that it adds.

[Cotners]

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That wouldn't really explain how it acts with BLM which already has a A+ in Elemental.

It adds magical accuracy to your next cast, and it's probably a flat, though large, number that it adds.

I didn't mean that it literally gives you an A+++, I know that it adds MACC (that't the discription). I just couldn't think of a better way to describe it.

[Malacite]

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Interesting...

So the MACC bonus scales according to your main job level then? This begs for further testing/dissection.

[Callisto]

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I would assume it's more of a case of there being a level difference accuracy correction similar to melee accuracy, which is 4 per level, if it was even something like that that'd be 240 accuracy difference, for all we know the accuracy/level correction could be even larger than the 4/level on melee acc. I assume that ES adds a rather large amount of magic accuracy, but that is taken into account after the level correction. The mobs you were sleeping were all around 83, which really isn't that large of a gap for a correction function to take hold on.

What's interesting about this is we could possibly combine this info with some of the newer MAcc testing, and possibly narrow down a ballpark quantitative amount of how much MAcc Elemental Seal actually adds.

[Armando]

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Callisto hit the nail on the head. That's what I mean by "overcoming a 60 level difference" in the first post.

Keep in mind that I can actually Sleep EP mobs on 75PLD/37RDM if I swap to Dark Staff in 1 or 2 tries. Why? Because while my Enfeebling Skill is obviously low relative to the mob's level/dark resistance, there's also no level correction working against me.

Speaking of ballparking numbers, my Enfeebling Magic Skill was 58. I had discovered through Diorama testing that players' hidden Elemental Resistance stat is equal to the cap for a C skill (- or + unknown, but if we draw parallels between accuracy/evasion and magic accuracy/magic evasion, it's probably just plain C, as this is the Evasion rank for standard melee jobs e.g. PLD DRK WAR BST.) Because mobs have a very strong tendency to mirror the way our stats are calculated, and because Rams are neutral to darkness, we can assume the mob had 300 base Darkness resistance. My INT is a laughable 50 (I'm not only PLD, but also Elvaan) on /20BLM so the ram really should've had more INT than me (EDIT: Just did the math, assuming D rank racial INT then a Lv.83 Ram has 58 INT; they're PLD/PLD mobs.) Assuming that, because I can get 100% duration consistently, then my Magic Accuracy must be close to or greater than the enemy's resistance, then Elemental Seal must've been adding more than 242 (300-58 = 242) plus whatever amount was working against me due to level correction.

That being the case, it should appear obvious why the JA would pretty much guarantee that a spell will land when it comes from a well-equipped mage using an elemental staff, even if the mob is level 90 or 95. A boost of that magnitude should eclipse both the player's difference in Magic Acc vs the mob's resistance and the level difference correction combined.

Given the potency of Blinding Potions I would wager that the magic number is +256 Magic Accuracy.

[Mog]

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This probably happens for the same reason I can charm VE placeholders as 75blm/1bst, and I can't charm for shit on my level 1 bst.

[Armando]

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This probably happens for the same reason I can charm VE placeholders as 75blm/1bst, and I can't charm for shit on my level 1 bst.

That's a bit different; subbed Charm uses both the main job and sub job when determining success rate. The assumed/suspected behavior is that it uses the average of your main job level and (uncapped) BST level, which in this case would be 38.

[Malacite]

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Keep in mind that I can actually Sleep EP mobs on 75PLD/37RDM if I swap to Dark Staff in 1 or 2 tries. Why? Because while my Enfeebling Skill is obviously low relative to the mob's level/dark resistance, there's also no level correction working against me.

That's because magic doesn't scale at all the way melee and ranged attacks do correct? (No penalties for higher level mobs but no advantages against weaker either)

[Callisto]

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That's because magic doesn't scale at all the way melee and ranged attacks do correct? (No penalties for higher level mobs but no advantages against weaker either)

I think you kinda wooshed here, we're saying pretty much the exact opposite. Magic Accuracy is appearing to have a level correction pretty much identical to melee/ranged accuracy in that your accuracy takes a hit on mobs higher than you, but gets a bonus on mobs lower than you, hence the reason ES can overcome the difference between his level 75 PLD and a level 83 mob, while on his 20 BLM with the same elemental skill ES cannot.